CPL Lew suicide after hazing. What's your take?

Just another case of AP lying.

[Hollywood]

Just another case of AP lying.

Please present your proof of that.

Please present your proof of that.

The proof is in the pudding.

[The Man]

I just want to say that while this incident is terrible, to me it shows how much better, how much more civilized the US military is than the Russian miltary, because in the US military when one such incident happens, there is all this coverage and all the outrage and outcry, and investigations and arrests. In the Russian Army (only army, not Navy, Air Force, Missile Forces, Airborne Troops, or Internal Troops [paramilitary police], 3,000 soldiers per year die in "non-combat losses"
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And in the overwhelming majority of cases, 99%, that do not get widely publicized, the perpetrators get away with it. Nobody cares.

Some think this

is good for the sodliers, toughens them up...

There is a culture of violence and abuse in the Russian military, like it is perfectly normal and accepted for an officer to hit his subordinate soldiers and even lower ranked officers...

I think it is good that here in the West, much more attention is paid to this problem.

[Hollywood]

The proof is in the pudding.

Idiotic, you'd have been better off ignoring the question rather than responding like a `10 year old.

[new_publius]

So, what would you have done?

Beat him? No....ridiculous. You put your people into positions where they will excel. The weakest link in any process is always the human element because anything that relies on human performance is subject to human error. For instance, if you tell people to stuff 1000 envelopes, I guarantee you a certain percentage of them are going to be stuffed incorrectly. That human error, that lapse into boredom if you will, is very human, it is inescapable, and its also why human beings bring an element to the process that has upside (the ability to adapt to unforseen circumstances)

Its human RESOURCES, not RACEHORSES....and if you have people falling asleep at night during guard duty, what should that tell the officer (the military manager), that the soldier is tired and that the guard shift should be a threesome, two awake, one asleep. NEVER just one awake, and honestly if that isn't possible, perhaps some low grade stimulants might be effective here: coffee, maybe Vivarin.....

[freecell]

So, what would you have done?

First made sure there wasn't something medically wrong with him after the first time. If not this guy put many lives in danger and I can see nothing wrong with the way the one over him reacted.

[Tedminator]

First made sure there wasn't something medically wrong with him after the first time. If not this guy put many lives in danger and I can see nothing wrong with the way the one over him reacted.

true.. falling asleep could be a symptom of a variety of mental and/or physical illnesses.

[The Man]

Even if he "fell asleep", that does not make it okat to beat him. I am sure there are proper, lawful punishments for that sort of infraction. Abuse does not solve the problem.

Chief

I've never served in combat.

Thank you for your honesty.

Well, my father did. Afghanistan, Transnistria, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, he's been there. And one thing, he always said, never abuse your own troops, always treat your men well. Morale is something that must be kept up. In a unit where it is acceptable to beat a soldier, morale would be low, the troops would not be able to fight effectively.

[Cicero]

Beat him? No....ridiculous. You put your people into positions where they will excel. The weakest link in any process is always the human element because anything that relies on human performance is subject to human error. For instance, if you tell people to stuff 1000 envelopes, I guarantee you a certain percentage of them are going to be stuffed incorrectly. That human error, that lapse into boredom if you will, is very human, it is inescapable, and its also why human beings bring an element to the process that has upside (the ability to adapt to unforseen circumstances)

Its human RESOURCES, not RACEHORSES....and if you have people falling asleep at night during guard duty, what should that tell the officer (the military manager), that the soldier is tired and that the guard shift should be a threesome, two awake, one asleep. NEVER just one awake, and honestly if that isn't possible, perhaps some low grade stimulants might be effective here: coffee, maybe Vivarin.....

This is the United States Marine Corps, not kindergarten. The Marine KNEW where his duty was and failed at it.

There are eleven general orders that apply to Marines wherever they are. Marines are taught these orders in boot camp.

I 1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.

2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert, and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.

3. To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.

4. To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guardhouse than my own.

5. To quit my post only when properly relieved.

6. To recieve, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer Of the Day, and officers, and noncomissioned officers of the guard only.

7. To talk to no one except in the line of duty.

8. To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.

9. To call the corporal of the guard in any case not covered by instructions.

10. To salute all officers, and all colors and standards not cased.

11. To be especially watchful at night and, during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.

That he committed suicide is tragic, but arguing that two or three Marines should stand a post because one was failing is nonsense.