how is the federal immigration law "not being enforced"?

[metheron]

no, 6k is 6k, not a few, or none. so they are enforcing the laws, maybe just not well enough.

So you at minimum agree that our enforcement of illegal immigration is lacking?

[metheron]

we have murder in his country, does that mean no ones enforcing murder laws?

people speed, are speed limits not enforced?

millions of people don't pay their taxes, does that mean no taxes are collected?

try again.

If there were the same number of unsolved murders, or the same number of murders committed everyday as there are people entering our country illegally everyday, I can guarantee that something would have been done about it. Even folks like yourself would be screaming for enforcement.

Speeding is not enforced regularly no.

Uncollected tax enforcement is lacking in people as well. Sometimes it is enforced, sometimes it isn't. Seems to depend on who the violator is.

Try again.

What is your point here? Because we do a shoddy job enforcing other things we shouldn't secure our borders? Seems like a pretty crappy analogy.

How about if the law was changed to ask EVERBODY for proof of citizenship? I think that would be fair and easy to do. I don't know why they don't just change it to that.

Do you think people should have to show their drivers license when pulled over? I mean we are innocent until proven guilty, so why should we have to show cops anything?

Help me out here Nick, why should I be treated any worse than illegals?

[justoneman]

yes, because its not illegal to not be able to speak english and be in this country legally. and if if thats not part of immigration law, then thats not what i'm asking. i said how is the law NOT being enforced, not what should be part of the law.
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Whoa wait a minute. You are ignoring the "no drivers license" thing. I really do not understand the problem here. Many years ago I was on my way home from softball practice and was pulled over. When I gave my license over I did not realize that my license had expired two months earlier. I was arrested...well taken back to the station at any rate and if I did not have someone bring the money to pay the fine I was going to be taken to the county jail.

The license is the official form of ID. You could also have a state idea also from the drivers license facility. Anybody who is pulled over and does not have an official form of ID is subject to further scrutiny just as I was and certainly would have been if I simply had no drivers license at all.

[2lane]

Reform is amnesty, you sure you want to pay unemployment for these people?

No Mike I don't. However, there are rich corporations who want them here and the SCOTUS has seen fit to give these rich corporations an "equal" voice to mine in the election process now. Somehow though, I have developed this cynical belief that our congress people are going to see fit to pay a little more attention to the contributions made by these rich corporations than the fiver I stick in their Maxwell House Coffee can. I guess I'm saying at the moment I don't see that I have all that much say. The Arizona law can only be enforced by profiling. To totally secure our border, we would need to build the equivalent of an iron curtin, i.e. the fence seen along the West/East German border back during the cold war with watch towers and machine guns with instruction to use them if they see people in no man's land. I'm personally not ready for that either. I don't have answers on this.

[Six]

Sorry but only non-hispanic English speaking folk are required to carry a legitimate ID. Sanctuary cities are a great example of how this law is NOT being enforced. It's to the point of States being complicit with the Federal Government in actively ignoring obvious Mexican Nationals who are here illegally.

J

[2lane]

If there were the same number of unsolved murders, or the same number of murders committed everyday as there are people entering our country illegally everyday, I can guarantee that something would have been done about it. Even folks like yourself would be screaming for enforcement.

Speeding is not enforced regularly no.

Uncollected tax enforcement is lacking in people as well. Sometimes it is enforced, sometimes it isn't. Seems to depend on who the violator is.

Try again.

What is your point here? Because we do a shoddy job enforcing other things we shouldn't secure our borders? Seems like a pretty crappy analogy.

How about if the law was changed to ask EVERBODY for proof of citizenship? I think that would be fair and easy to do. I don't know why they don't just change it to that.

Do you think people should have to show their drivers license when pulled over? I mean we are innocent until proven guilty, so why should we have to show cops anything?

Help me out here Nick, why should I be treated any worse than illegals?

I'm not so sure. Lets apply your reasoning to the upwards of 30,000 guns deaths each year, you should be screaming to let more illegal aliens into the country.


Then out of fairness, they should be checking us white guys (and women) who live along the northern border for our citizenship papers. That wouldn't happen.

[2lane]

Sorry but only non-hispanic English speaking folk are required to carry a legitimate ID. Sanctuary cities are a great example of how this law is NOT being enforced. It's to the point of States being complicit with the Federal Government in actively ignoring obvious Mexican Nationals who are here illegally.

J

And aren't these company towns thay employ them for very little money?

[bla bla]

Then out of fairness, they should be checking us white guys (and women) who live along the northern border for our citizenship papers. That wouldn't happen.

Last few times I was involved in traffic violations or other incidents the police always
asked for valid ID. That's all the Ariz law covers, people stopped or questioned for some
valid reason.

If you like you can try going to Arizona and running a stop sign then refuse to produce
any identification. I'm sure it will go well... most likely the officer will just say "sorry, I
see your white, have a nice day".

[metheron]

I'm not so sure. Lets apply your reasoning to the upwards of 30,000 guns deaths each year, you should be screaming to let more illegal aliens into the country.


Then out of fairness, they should be checking us white guys (and women) who live along the northern border for our citizenship papers. That wouldn't happen.

I'm not really following here. 30,000 unsolved gun deaths? Why would I want illegals because of 30,000 gun deaths? It is a good point you bring up, though. Guns are legal, yet you have to have all kinds of documentation and permits to carry. How fair is that. Why aren't people supporting gun owners the same way they are supporting illegals?

I did suggest that the easiest fix to the bill is to ask everyone for some sort of proof of citizenship. This can be easily annotated on a drivers license, what the citizenship status is. Hell whenever I'm pulled over I have to fork over an I.D., I don't really see the problem here.

[metheron]

And aren't these company towns thay employ them for very little money?

And that has to do with what?