Does the United States Lead World Govt. in policy concerning UFO'S and Alien Visitors

[Midwest Media Critics]

I know that any such sitings in the western hemisphere, has the US' foot print all over it. That would include Canada and Mexico and I do think both of those Governments would contact us immediately. Not to mention Mexico has their own Roswell, which did include the US Miltary. They did fly into Mexican Airspace and by all accounts took something back to the states.

[caffeine]

Caffeine, first I'd like to say that I like that fact that you're here. I think this thread is funny. MMC started it by talking about aliens. Then I said it's not aliens, it was advanced humans, and then you said no, they weren't necessarily advanced. I see the humor in this thread. All I can say is that I read your link and it's interesting, I just wish that Mr. Sheiser had spent more time proving his hypothesis. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm not an archeologist, but I see some holes that I wish he had addressed. Also, when I was talking to MMC, I wasn't focused just on stone buildings, I was talking about a lot of things. The predominance of certain artistic and architectural standards, the obvious presence of "advanced" technology in our past, such as Astronomy, Mathematics, Aeronautics, and Optics, a common cultural heritage around the world, RNA research that is mapping population levels in the past, wildly variable sea levels...things like that. That's all. I hope you didn't take my response as an insult because I didn't mean it that way.

Don't worry, I'm not offended at all. I just think people are too quick to assume that 'primitives' couldn't have done something. People in the past were no stupider than people today and, as you point out, some of them could put together accurate astronomical models and do some advanced maths. We all talk about everyone believing the world was flat before Columbus, but this isn't true. People all over the world were capable of working out that the world was round, even in medieval Europe, and it was measured fairly accurately more than a thousand years before Columbus went sailing. People had invented clockwork machines and at least prototypes of steam engines two millenia ago. This doesn't imply, to me anyway, that there was some sort of Atlantean wonderland of modern-style technology. It just means that people of the past were just as intelligent and resourceful as people today, and we confuse ourselves when we get too caught up with the idea of primitives.

[Midwest Media Critics]

I remember when Van Danniken came out with Chariots of the Gods, not only was he attacked by mainstream scientists but by the religious caste as well......he pointed out he was asking questions even his book showed the difference between specualtion and what was being questioned?

Now today main-stream science accepts the theory that we are not alone. In 2008 the Catholic Church in Rome changed their belief and released a statement concerning other planets with life. Not many are looking at this like it was that significant. But the Church turned around and did a 180 on exterrestials and life else where.

I find it quite interesting that SETI when they heard the signal that it came from the constellation Sagitarius in the same area as where the exact center of the Universe is speculated to be. According where the arrow tip is alledged to be . Or known as the 13 Sign or Zodiac sign. The same spot the Mayan are talking about for 21/12.

[caffeine]

I remember when Van Danniken came out with Chariots of the Gods, not only was he attacked by mainstream scientists but by the religious caste as well......he pointed out he was asking questions even his book showed the difference between specualtion and what was being questioned?

Now today main-stream science accepts the theory that we are not alone. In 2008 the Catholic Church in Rome changed their belief and released a statement concerning other planets with life. Not many are looking at this like it was that significant. But the Church turned around and did a 180 on exterrestials and life else where.

I find it quite interesting that SETI when they heard the signal that it came from the constellation Sagitarius in the same area as where the exact center of the Universe is speculated to be. According where the arrow tip is alledged to be . Or known as the 13 Sign or Zodiac sign. The same spot the Mayan are talking about for 21/12.

I don't think there's anything particularly new about scientists thinking we're not alone. People have aleays speculated about life out there. There's a big difference between 'life out there' and 'life coming here', though. The biggest reason to suspect that we're not alone is just because there's so much space out there - even if there's only life on planets around one in every 100 billion stars, there could still be trillions of occupied planets out there. But, the fact the universe is so huge, makes it unlikely that anyone's made the epic trek necessary to stumble across our lirrle planet. Von Daniken is still an admitted fraudster.

Incidentally, there is no centre of the universe, and if there was it would be a staggering coincidence to find it in our galaxy, instead of one of the billions of others out there or in the vast empty space between galaxies. Who's speculating about it being the centre of the universe?

[Midwest Media Critics]

I do not know if he is an admitted fraudster. I was watching a show on the discovery channel and they were talking about a polar axis shift. Stating such happens like every 26-28 thousands years, allegedly that it lines up with the same constellation as Sagitarius, that in 2012 that there will be an eclispe of the sun and moon. Which was some show on the Universe.

Then on the History channel they were talking about the Mayan Prophecy and that theirs stated something about the sun and the moon and the eclipse........in 2012. Some reference to it being the center of the universe. They did not say galaxy nor Andromendas'. They did not say it was near us ......just that in reference to lining up with......nothing about the center being near us or our galaxy.

As for the Ancient Astronauts and Alien theorists...........Are you against them and what they are pushing with mainstream science? As I stated before more and more mainstrem scientists, archeologists, geologists, Astro-pysics, and Historians are coming out and bringing (IMHO) all the different physical evidence that does seem to point that not only is there other life out there. That they have been coming here from the beginning, and as more and more information and discoveries are made with different civilizations and religions. That there can be no other explanation. This is their claim. That the day they do make contact, that it will crumble the foundations of every religion and some governments.

Althought Van Danniken was not proven a fraud with the Nazca lines<<<<<not sure of spelling. He took all the photos and geologists there and they cannot explain it much of it. There was no response by the church that I know of. Btw thanks for keeping the thread going.

[caffeine]

I do not know if he is an admitted fraudster.

He is, indeed, an admitted fraudster. He's admitted to faking evidence because, as he claims, he thought it would spread his ideas more widely and make his books more popular.

I was watching a show on the discovery channel and they were talking about a polar axis shift. Stating such happens like every 26-28 thousands years, allegedly that it lines up with the same constellation as Sagitarius, that in 2012 that there will be an eclispe of the sun and moon. Which was some show on the Universe.

Then on the History channel they were talking about the Mayan Prophecy and that theirs stated something about the sun and the moon and the eclipse........in 2012. Some reference to it being the center of the universe. They did not say galaxy nor Andromendas'. They did not say it was near us ......just that in reference to lining up with......nothing about the center being near us or our galaxy.

There will, indeed, be an eclipse in 2012. But there are exlipses every year, so this is nothing to be surprised about. There will not be a total lunar eclipse in 2012. I don't know about any specific astronomical arrangement, but Sagittarius is made up of stars in our galaxy - the ones that we can see in the night sky.

Either way, there is definitely no way someone could know where the centre of the universe is. Current physcial understanding is that there is no centre. If the scientists are wrong, and the universe has a definite shape with a centre, then nobody knwos where it is. Anyone pointing at the sky and informing you where the centre of the universe is can safely be dismissed as a crank who knows little of cosmology.

As for the Ancient Astronauts and Alien theorists...........Are you against them and what they are pushing with mainstream science? As I stated before more and more mainstrem scientists, archeologists, geologists, Astro-pysics, and Historians are coming out and bringing (IMHO) all the different physical evidence that does seem to point that not only is there other life out there. That they have been coming here from the beginning, and as more and more information and discoveries are made with different civilizations and religions. That there can be no other explanation. This is their claim. That the day they do make contact, that it will crumble the foundations of every religion and some governments.

I've no idea what mainstream scientists you're talking about, because I can't see anymainstream archaeologists, physicists or historians coming out and talking about aliens visiting us. All I can see are people like van Daniken and Zecharia Sitchen (and, of course, what's laughably called the 'History' Channel).

Althought Van Danniken was not proven a fraud with the Nazca lines<<<<<not sure of spelling. He took all the photos and geologists there and they cannot explain it much of it. There was no response by the church that I know of. Btw thanks for keeping the thread going.

He misrepresented the size of portions of the Nazca lines in his photos, in order to make them look big enough to be alien-spaceship landing sites. And what, exactrly, remains unexplained about the Nazca lines? Exactly why they built them, I suppose, but that sort of thing's alwys going to be speculative. We can't see inside the minds of the dead.

[Inkslinger]

Saw this a couple years back... may be faked. Still creepy though.

[Midwest Media Critics]

Yeah I would say that is creepy! My step-son bought a decent telescope and sets it up at times checking out the sky. But he has never seen anything strange. We live off a creek and it is somewhat wooded and nothing but racoons who luv to get into everybodys garbage. Still as I said before I do not just dismiss military pilots and astronaunts when they are reporting strange craft. Whether they are in the sky or coming out of some body of water.

[Midwest Media Critics]

Question: what would you do if you saw something like that looking in your window? What would one with military experience do?

[Inkslinger]

Question: what would you do if you saw something like that looking in your window? What would one with military experience do?

Piss their pants like they were a Weblo Scout?