Does the United States Lead World Govt. in policy concerning UFO'S and Alien Visitors

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Thanks for responding Caffiene.......with the Pyramid, they had discovered that the passageway to the upper level of the tomb is in fact a calendar, how could they see to put glyphs on the walls,

Without being an expert on pyramid construction, the obvious answer seems to be that they were carved before the roof was put on. I imagine pyramids are built from the bottom upwards.

there is also the fact that the Pyramids are also aligned to the Astrological Sign of Sagitarius, moreover to have the knowledge to set up such a system one would have had to view so from above the ground. There is no way for any at this time to know the path of all the planets in our solar system. Lets not forget there was another Pyrmaid that was destroyed by the Romans and that was part of this version of the astrological alignment that is alleged to take place in 2012.

I’m not sure why you think it’s necessary to see something from above to plan its shape as seen from above. I have no architectural training whatsoever and I could do this. Just plan the shape you want on a piece of paper, measure the lengths of the sides, then scale up to however enormous you want it. You can then use pieces of rope measured to the correct length and stretch them out to mark your boundaries. Problem solved.

And what is the mystery about things being aligned with astrological significance? Ancient Egyptians could see the stars just as well as we could (better, actually, there being less light pollution around). They could also see the planets. The very word ‘planet’ comes from the ancient Greek for ‘wanderer’, because the planets looked, to them, like stars that wandered across the skies. Egyptians could see just as well as Greeks, so their astronomers could see the planets too. This is all a bit irrelevant though, because you wouldn’t need to see planets to map out the constellation of Sagittarius. It’s made up of stars, not planets.

Yes that was the conference concerning the UFO issue.......the actual percentage of UFO sightings that cannot be explained is 18%. All are credible witnesses.......and IMHO cannot be disputed. Some have already stated that Governments cannot admit that there is something in their skies that they do not have a way to prevent nor to protect their own country's airspace. Both commercial and military radars have picked up UFO's. When the witnesses are Military Pilots and one of those pilots was from the SR22 who was flying the fastest plane of that time period......then I would have to believe him, when he states that there is no man-made craft that can fly as fast nor pull the moves that these UFO's are capable of.
In addition to all of this is the files that NASA has which have not been declassified. Having Astronauts coming out and supporting the issue adds even more credibility.

So, a small number of people saw something which we haven’t found a clear explanation for whilst flying. Given the fact that people often see things that aren’t there, and the sheer unlikeliness of anything having crossed the unimaginably vast emptiness of space to get here, I’m going to need more convincing than that.

Egypt's Chief Archeologist and head of Antiquities Zehi is against such due to his prejudice that Egypt was the most advanced civilization at 2500BC and adamantly refuses to accept any evidence that would prove otherwise.......

If he was the only one against the ‘ancient aliens’ idea then his prejudice might be a good explanation. Given, however, that every single Egyptologist in the world agrees with him, I don’t think his personal views are relevant.

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Without being an expert on pyramid construction, the obvious answer seems to be that they were carved before the roof was put on. I imagine pyramids are built from the bottom upwards.



I’m not sure why you think it’s necessary to see something from above to plan its shape as seen from above. I have no architectural training whatsoever and I could do this. Just plan the shape you want on a piece of paper, measure the lengths of the sides, then scale up to however enormous you want it. You can then use pieces of rope measured to the correct length and stretch them out to mark your boundaries. Problem solved.

And what is the mystery about things being aligned with astrological significance? Ancient Egyptians could see the stars just as well as we could (better, actually, there being less light pollution around). They could also see the planets. The very word ‘planet’ comes from the ancient Greek for ‘wanderer’, because the planets looked, to them, like stars that wandered across the skies. Egyptians could see just as well as Greeks, so their astronomers could see the planets too. This is all a bit irrelevant though, because you wouldn’t need to see planets to map out the constellation of Sagittarius. It’s made up of stars, not planets.



So, a small number of people saw something which we haven’t found a clear explanation for whilst flying. Given the fact that people often see things that aren’t there, and the sheer unlikeliness of anything having crossed the unimaginably vast emptiness of space to get here, I’m going to need more convincing than that.

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If he was the only one against the ‘ancient aliens’ idea then his prejudice might be a good explanation. Given, however, that every single Egyptologist in the world agrees with him, I don’t think his personal views are relevant.

Hiya Caffeine......my point on the astrological setting to Sagitarius.....and the planets are the same as these theorists.....they could not see Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto.......

The problem with the Military Pilots is sometimes there are more than one pilot.......and being in the Air flying the fastest plane in the air and then some UFO comes passing you by like you are standing still......then pulls moves that are impossible, then trails you then flys all around your craft while moving at the fastest speed possible all like you are standing still on the ground........then disappears in a blink of an eye.

Again there are many sightings with over hundreds of witnesses.....commercial aircraft has sighting with pilots and passengers witnessing the same events. Tangible objects in the Air, not just some lights or a ball of light.

As to Zehi he leads the way for those in that field. But Robert Bouvau the Egyptian Historian and another Egyptologist who was the one to really discover all that took place with the missing Pyrmaid....has come out to dispute Zehi and his contemporaries. Already they are re-writing history due to the fact that all this time had thought the Pharoah of this time....Jedeffrey<<<<<not sure of Spelling.........had murdered his brother to usurp the throne. Now with the discovery of this Pharoahs tomb and glyphs of from that time period.....such was not the case. That the defilement of this Pharoah's images were mainly destroyed by the Romans......Which i am quite sure that none of us were told about this little tidbit of Roman History while going to school.

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Hiya Caffeine......my point on the astrological setting to Sagitarius.....and the planets are the same as these theorists.....they could not see Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto.......

They couldn't see Neptune or Pluto, but they could certainly see Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter is usually the fourth brightest object in the sky, and both planets have been known since ancient times. Either way, why is this relevant? Sagitarrius is made out of stars, not planets.

The problem with the Military Pilots is sometimes there are more than one pilot.......and being in the Air flying the fastest plane in the air and then some UFO comes passing you by like you are standing still......then pulls moves that are impossible, then trails you then flys all around your craft while moving at the fastest speed possible all like you are standing still on the ground........then disappears in a blink of an eye.

Again there are many sightings with over hundreds of witnesses.....commercial aircraft has sighting with pilots and passengers witnessing the same events. Tangible objects in the Air, not just some lights or a ball of light.

People are easily fooled, and often see things that aren't there (yes, even fighter pilots). I'd imagine that rocketing along in one of the fastest modes of transportation known to man is not the easiest environment in which to get a clear picture of what you're looking at. But I can't discuss vague claims that someone somewhere has seen something in much more detail than that.

As to Zehi he leads the way for those in that field. But Robert Bouvau the Egyptian Historian and another Egyptologist who was the one to really discover all that took place with the missing Pyrmaid....has come out to dispute Zehi and his contemporaries. Already they are re-writing history due to the fact that all this time had thought the Pharoah of this time....Jedeffrey<<<<<not sure of Spelling.........had murdered his brother to usurp the throne. Now with the discovery of this Pharoahs tomb and glyphs of from that time period.....such was not the case. That the defilement of this Pharoah's images were mainly destroyed by the Romans......Which i am quite sure that none of us were told about this little tidbit of Roman History while going to school.

I have never heard of Zehi. What you present as his position (that there weren't any aliens in ancient Egypt) is not some idiosyncracy of him and his contemporaries, whoever they may be. It's what every serious historian in the world thinks. I can't find any mention of a Robert Bouvau or any similar spelling anywhere on the internet in connection with Egyptian history, but I'm not sure I understand the relevance. You seem to be discussing an argument over a detail of Egyptian history - some scholars argued a particular Pharoah had been usurped by his brother, while others say this is not the case based on new evidence. So? What does any of this have to do with aliens?

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The reason for the fourth Pyramid off to the side of the Giza Plateau, has to do with the Egyptians, and the Mayan, the I Ching, StoneHedge, and others.........as to Ancient Astronauts it all has to do with some polar shift taking place with our planet.....some sort of alignment that lines the Earth, Sun, and Moon......according to some this will take place in 2012.....those some Include the Egyptians and their calendar inside the Great Pyramid of Giza......that this alignment lines up with 3 specific stars, I think it is known as Orions Belt or something........that all of these different civilizations have the same sort of set up when it comes to having knowledge they did not have at the time.......like wherein you have mentioned that they could not of known about Neptune and Pluto. It is the same thing with some Star in the constellation of Sagitarius or between Sagitarius and Scorpio......they could not have seen it or known about it unless someone told them. If they could not have known about those planets,then how do they have a representation of them and the course they plot around our sun? Why are all these different civilizations having the same sort of astrological set up of something that they would have no knowledge of? Whether they are planets or some star that is not visible to the naked eye.

Sorry I misspelled Zahi's name..........as to the other guy Robert Bou??? I probably mispelled his too.....I will try and to find it!

I can understand your thoughts about the fighter pilots.......which is my point, they are trained observers and when something flies around your aircraft like you are stationary.......yet you are flying the fastest technological advanced craft of our time......that the object is tangible, solid substance.......defined......and when people are describing the same thing and from different locations........then how can one just dismiss such......

As I stated earlier in the thread I believe they need to bring UFO's and USO's............together with this Ancient Astronaut Theory........sightings by governments from all over the world cannot just be dismissed as a fantasy......Birnes has already alluded to Trumans Presidency and the multiple sighting over Washington D.C. wherein our craft attempted to engage but at that time could not even keep them in a visual.......that the US did in fact cover up the incident. There is the fact that people were seeing tangible solid objects in the air long before man could even fly.

I will look up some more info too.......as I am former Military and am a trained observer myself......I find it hard to dismiss these subjects as mere conjecture........yet I do not have all the answers either.............hence why I am looking at real evidenced cases and not the ones that can be explained by other reasons that are of this world.