Obama May Disqualify Some States From School Grants

[Bourne]

Good god Bourne, NCLB is the curriculum.

NCLB offers guidance, model programs and funding. It does not dictate curriculum.

Do you do any work with schools, I, as i said do. I know what the hell I am talking about.

No, I don't. I'm not certain what "work" you do with schools that qualifies you as an authority.

The schools teach the students to pass a test, not a curriculum.

Perhaps some, but certainly not the majority of schools.

Umm Bourne, with respect, our education system is indeed the laughing stock of the world.

According to what authority?

I would be happy to see the teachers receive more pay, but they need to start teaching a curriculum first. Hell a monkey can do their job.

That's why Obama's plan is so important and likely to be effective. Teachers and unions applaud it.

[michaelr]

NCLB offers guidance, model programs and funding. It does not dictate curriculum.

Wrong, it is the cricculim, and CA wants no part of it. Now Obama wants to cut their funding.

No, I don't. I'm not certain what "work" you do with schools that qualifies you as an authority.

Well i have been active with the schools for about 24 years, you can draw any conclusion you want.

Perhaps some, but certainly not the majority of schools.

All schools but say for in a few states, and Obama wants to 'fix' that.

According to what authority?

Test Anxiety: Are Students Failing Tests –Or Are Tests Failing Students?

Only one example of many. There is way to much importance placed in the WASL.

That's why Obama's plan is so important and likely to be effective. Teachers and unions applaud it.

They need to teach first.

[Bourne]

Wrong, it is the cricculim, and CA wants no part of it. Now Obama wants to cut their funding.

No, it is not about cirriculum. It's about tying teacher effectiveness to student achievement. Read the OP article. There's no mention of making funding dependant on specific cirriculum.

Well i have been active with the schools for about 24 years, you can draw any conclusion you want.

Active in what capacity?

All schools but say for in a few states, and Obama wants to 'fix' that.

Ok, prove that the US education system is, as you say, "the laughingstock of the world."

Test Anxiety: Are Students Failing Tests –Or Are Tests Failing Students?

Only one example of many. There is way to much importance placed in the WASL.

Which is why the WASL is being improved.

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/BillInfo/2...%20ED%2009.pdf

They need to teach first.

Which is precisely what Obama's plan has in mind to improve student success and teacher effectiveness.

[michaelr]

This is all about the WASL and about the states that sees this garbage for what it is.

I have been active as a volunteer on many levels. Let me put it this way Bourne, there was hardly an instructor or student that did not know me, and I did quit for about two years, this followed an offer to be the "guest of honor" for a diner and media campaign. I found it insulting.

As far as the laughing stock thing goes, look it up, hell man third world nations graduate more engineers than we do. More scientist are graduated from third world countries. Hell man wake up, get involved.

Improved, what a joke, the standards were lowered.

[Bourne]

This is all about the WASL and about the states that sees this garbage for what it is.

Again, which is why it's being improved.

I have been active as a volunteer on many levels. Let me put it this way Bourne, there was hardly an instructor or student that did not know me, and I did quit for about two years, this followed an offer to be the "guest of honor" for a diner and media campaign. I found it insulting.

Active, in what capacity that qualifies you as an authority.

As far as the laughing stock thing goes, look it up, hell man third world nations graduate more engineers than we do. More scientist are graduated from third world countries. Hell man wake up, get involved.

You made the comment, you prove it.

[michaelr]

Again, which is why it's being improved.



Active, in what capacity that qualifies you as an authority.



You made the comment, you prove it.

I was active...hell I still am, in many aspects. Mostly I aid teachers, and students.

My last sentence in my last post is considered common knowledge, look it up and learn, something I would like to have students do.

[Bourne]

I was active...hell I still am, in many aspects. Mostly I aid teachers, and students.

One more time. What exactly did you do that qualifies you as an authority regarding the educational delivery system?

My last sentence in my last post is considered common knowledge, look it up and learn, something I would like to have students do.

If it's common knowledge then you should have no problem whatsoever proving it with a link to a reliable source which confirms your allegation the US education system is the "laughingstock of the world."

[Pragmatist]

Precisely. Students need to be tested inorder to determine if they are absorbing the information presented in class. Under Obama's plan teacher performance will be tied to student performance and underperforming teachers will be weeded out. The unions favor Obama's plan. It's a win-win proposition.

I totally disagree with this idea. Measuring teacher performance based on a standardized test score does not work.

How about the excellent 5th grade teacher whose students had a piss poor 4th grade teacher who passed them along without mastering what they needed for the 5th grade?

How about the piss poor 5th grade teacher whose students had an excellent 4th grade teacher so they were far better prepared for the 5th grade?

How about the excellent teacher who goes to a public school system that has continuely had poor performance such as many inner city schools with students who come from poor socioeconomic classes and parents who do not regard education as terribly important? Think it may be a little more difficult to get these kids scoring well on a standardized test?

How about the piss poor teacher that teaches in an excellent public school system whose students overwhelmingly have parents that regard education as very important so the kids have this mindset?

I think if you are going to apply standardized tests to evaluate teachers then it is the teachers that need to be taking the tests, not the students.

[Bourne]

How about the excellent 5th grade teacher whose students had a piss poor 4th grade teacher who passed them along without mastering what they needed for the 5th grade?

The students 4th grade test scores will reflect the poor performance of their 4th grade teacher.

How about the piss poor 5th grade teacher whose students had an excellent 4th grade teacher so they were far better prepared for the 5th grade?

If the 5th grade teacher has a poor performance record the process to remove her can be initiated. Instead of a union protecting a poor performing teacher the unions have agreed to cooperate in removing poor performing teachers.

How about the excellent teacher who goes to a public school system that has continuely had poor performance such as many inner city schools with students who come from poor socioeconomic classes and parents who do not regard education as terribly important? Think it may be a little more difficult to get these kids scoring well on a standardized test?

A good teacher striving to educate their students may very well motivate the majority of those students into embracing the learning experience.

How about the piss poor teacher that teaches in an excellent public school system whose students overwhelmingly have parents that regard education as very important so the kids have this mindset?

Again, if the teacher has a poor performance record the process to remove her can be initiated.

I think if you are going to apply standardized tests to evaluate teachers then it is the teachers that need to be taking the tests, not the students.

How would you suggest that students success be measured if not by testing their knowledge?