Thread: Liberty or security

Originally Posted by Cicero

No, the government has not provided safety. The demonstrable risk of a nuclear, biological, or chemical attack has not changed significantly since 2001. The risk of other terrorist actions has not demonstrably decreased during this same period. The probability of a terrorist attack, at Great America is pretty much the same today as it was eleven years ago.

... If not MORE than before

I am not advocating for 100% of anything, I am asking you a simple question. Where is the bright line that the government should not cross?

They've already crossed it IMO. And that goes for both sides of the aisle. Bush and the shitty congress did it (Patriot Act). And now our current one too (NDAA 2012). Although. I never thought I'd see a Lefty choose the side of security & violate the constitution. But Obama has proven me wrong.

Originally Posted by Oscar99

please, tell us how the Constitution is being violated.

I already did this for you yesterday, and provided links. Stop trolling.

Originally Posted by Roshi

... If not MORE than before

They've already crossed it IMO. And that goes for both sides of the aisle. Bush and the shitty congress did it. And now our current one too. Although. I never thought I'd see a Lefty choose the side of security & violate the constitution. But Obama has proven me wrong.

He is every bit as dangerous as that last fucker we had. When are the people going to wise up?

Originally Posted by Oscar99

Obama isn't violating the Constitution any more than Bush was. If anything, he is violating it less...if at all.

So Bush violating it makes it okay for Obama to do it? Heaven forbid he actually GO AGAINST a Bush policy and try to fix Bush's constitutional wrong. But why would I expect that? He's Bush 2.0.
And one could argue that the idea of taking someone's freedom indefinitely is much worse than listening to their phone calls. But I don't need to play semantics about it. They're both wrong.

Originally Posted by Oscar99

guess the words "if at all"...flew right over your head, ay?

Except that you're wrong.
Kidnapping will get you more time than listening to someone's phonecall. That's what these are akin to.
And the 4th amendment is pretty clear that no US citizen can be held without due process. So no, you're wrong, and I've already proven so. Stop trolling.