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  1. 24th January 2012 10:17 PM #1
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    2011 State of the Union Speech

    Usual Obama eloquence and delivery mixed with a bit of frustration set in a sort of sea of dysfunction that he is, ultimately, a part of.

    It's the kind of speech you expect from a well-meaning President who knows nothing productive happens for the rest of the year.
    Say what you need to say, but if it is "everyone who disagrees with me is x," then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

    I'm a liberal. Guess what, we all are. It's not about liberal vs. not, it's about progressive vs. conservative.
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  2. 24th January 2012 10:42 PM #2
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    I could say it was great in that it was all optimistic and full of spirit and well crafted for a politician. Everything the SOTU is supposed to be, right?

    But I couldn't say it wasn't flawed though because I'm more of a logical mind than an emotional one. It's not like I'd have expected him to get up there and tell the truth about things like US and global debt, the bleak future of Medicare, etc. Why would he mention the things that would make any politician unfavorable? He wouldn't. Gotta be an optimist in that role, right? Go lofty, dream big, that sort of thing?
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  4. 24th January 2012 10:43 PM #3
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    I don't think anyone is being credible when they do not at least admit that regardless of what you think of this guy, he is an excellent speech-maker. Savant even.

    I think the Right gets scared when he speaks, and thus feel they immediately have to shit-talk it.

    In fact, that's my favorite part. Ya'll on the Right get so upset. Pure comedy.
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  5. 24th January 2012 10:44 PM #4
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    I admitted it could be called great.

    But you can't expect me to be all giddy and cheerled when he wags his finger at banks for playing by their own rules when he appointed a bunch of the same types of bankers to positions of authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Grade the speech.
    I havent had a chance to watch the SOTU speech yet, but I'm betting it went something like this...

    POTUS: State of the Union is strong. God bless the USA.

    GOP: State of the union sucks! you suck! everything sucks! Vote for a goper and everything will be great again! God bless the USA.
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  8. 24th January 2012 10:50 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian
    I admitted it could be called great.

    But you can't expect me to be all giddy and cheerled when he wags his finger at banks for playing by their own rules when he appointed a bunch of the same types of bankers to positions of authority.
    I was replying to the OP, but you typed faster :-)

    It's all good. Sorry for the confusion.
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  10. 25th January 2012 12:25 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Usual Obama eloquence and delivery mixed with a bit of frustration set in a sort of sea of dysfunction that he is, ultimately, a part of.

    It's the kind of speech you expect from a well-meaning President who knows nothing productive happens for the rest of the year.
    Great speech. Top notch.

    I loved the part where he cracked a joke and no one laughed. I don't think it went over their heads, they just didn't find it humorous. Obama said something about an issue having "strong bipartisan agreement - everywhere but inside the beltway". It was a funny, but the idiot partisans just sat there like statues.
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  11. 25th January 2012 03:26 PM #8
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    It was good, but I want to see Obama be more aggressive on a progressive platform in practice. Not just in words.
    "While I am a great believer in the free competitive enterprise system and all that it entails, I am an even stronger believer in the right of our people to live in a clean and pollution-free environment. To this end, it is my belief that when pollution is found, it should be halted at the source, even if this requires stringent government action against important segments of our national economy."
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  13. 25th January 2012 08:29 PM #9
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    Even just being a little less neoconservative would be cool.
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  14. 26th January 2012 07:29 AM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan View Post
    It was good, but I want to see Obama be more aggressive on a progressive platform in practice. Not just in words.
    I don't think that's going to happen.
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    Read the documents at     http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...titute-climate
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