Thread: Does the TSA violate the Constitution?

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

Constitution of the United States of America.

All the proof needed.

<yawn>

Originally Posted by Devil505

Wake me up when you can link to a SCOTUS case ruling TSA unconstitutional.

Originally Posted by Devil505

I've spent about as much time as I care to trying to prove a simple obvious fact:
The TSA performs warrant-less & Probable Cause-less searches every day at almost every major airport in this country & they are not breaking the law by doing so.

Perhaps this law http://travel.state.gov/pdf/irtpa2004.pdf contains the specific wording you want but I'll leave it you to find it.


Edit:

Try this:
In 1973 the 9th Circuit Court rules on U.S. vs Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908, there are key pieces of wording that give the TSA its power to search essentially any way they choose to. The key wording in this ruling includes “noting that airport screenings are considered to be administrative searches because they are conducted as part of a general regulatory scheme, where the essential administrative purpose is to prevent the carrying of weapons or explosives aboard aircraft.”
The Legality Of The TSA’s ‘Enhanced Pat Down’ Authority - Flying With Fish

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Originally Posted by Cicero

No, what I believe is that police officers have a right to be safe in the performance of their duty, or as safe as the law allows them to be. I also believe that you don't have an unqualified "right" to fly. Neither do you have a "right" to pose a hazard to others (specifically the non-flying public). Don't want to be searched? Don't fly.

What the cops DO NOT have is the freedom to violate the people's civil rights.

They want to be safe? They should become accountants or something as useless as lawyers are.

Cowards have no business becoming cops.

Don't waste space arguing the "safety" of the friggin' cops is more important than the people's freedom. Do you have any idea how dangerous demented ideas like that are?

"He who is willing to give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither" - Benjamin Franklin.

And yes, a citizen DOES have an "unqualified" right to fly, assuming he has the financial means to purchase a ticket.

Originally Posted by Devil505

<yawn>

Yes, your lack of argument is pretty boring. Good thing The Misfits is on TMC right now.

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

What the cops DO NOT have is the freedom to violate the people's civil rights. They want to be safe? They should become accountants or something as useless as lawyers are.Cowards have no business becoming cops.Don't waste space arguing the "safety" of the friggin' cops is more important than the people's freedom. Do you have any idea how dangerous demented ideas like that are?"He who is willing to give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither" - Benjamin Franklin.And yes, a citizen DOES have an "unqualified" right to fly, assuming he has the financial means to purchase a ticket.

If TSA personnel are breaking the law every day at almost every major airport in the country, why haven't they been stopped & arrested?(maybe you should go & try to make a citizen's arrest & let us all know how that works out for you)You afraid to Mayor?

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

Cowards have no business becoming cops.

Do cowards have any business telling others to go do what they are afraid to do?
(come on....tell us what airport you going to tomorrow to make your citizens's arrest , bring a camera crew & let us see what happens.)



Of course if you're:

Originally Posted by Cicero

It's called nonsense because anyone willing to blow themselves up, to prove a point, is hardly likely to be deterred by the thought of some pogue with a gun.

Yes, it is nonsense to strip people of their civil liberties, establish a police state, and treat the people like criminals, all on the excuse that someone might blow them up.

Is anything effective being done about the sponsors of international terrorism that is the real problem? What's been done about Iran? Besides Obama coddling them? What's been done about the Taliban, besides Obama surrendering to them?

Do you really believe the shredding of the Constitution is going to stop at the airports? The Touching Sexual Apparatus crowd is targetting the train stations and the bus stations. Under the pretext of catching intoxicated drivers, the cops have won from the courts the assurance that mass warrantless, groundless searches in the form of roadblocks are Constitutionally valid (they're not). The courts just recently, in a very rare instance of Constitutional Awareness, ruled, for now, that the cops can't put GPS trackers on cars without a warrant. Which means only that the cops are going to use them without warrants and demonstrate remarkable deductive talents heretofore unnoticed.

Are we safer becuase the TSA strip searches 6 year old girls and 90 year old grannies? No, we're not. Nobody objected to routine scanning of the pre-9-11 sort because it was a minor inconvenience and not especially intrusive. The terrorists succeeded on September 11 not because they got box cutters on the airplanes. No. They succeeded because the 90 or so passengers on each plane allowed themselves to be cowed by viciousness, and THAT was because they swallowed the Stupid Liberal argument that fighting to protect one's rights and one's freedom is less desirable than letting people "negotiate". Dickless wonders died on those planes, people who were willing to go along with their captors in the hopes that their loss of freedom would be temporary. The people on three of those airplanes were willing to fight for themselves, they were willing to believe someone else would fight for them.

The Mayor seriously doubts that any would-be terrorist armed with a weapon that could get through those 2001 scanning standards would be able to cow a flight of real Americans.

But hell, the friggin' commie liberals don't even want the PILOT to have a firearm. They're afraid he might take over the plane.

You people got any evidence that less freedom equates to more security? How'd that work for the Jews in Germany? How'd that work for the people of Cambodia under Pol Pot? Everyone knows the US embargo on Cuba was to stop Americans from escaping, right?

Originally Posted by Devil505

Nice self-portrait.

You remind the Mayor of the Farmer in Chicken Run.

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

Nice self-portrait.

You remind the Mayor of the Farmer in Chicken Run.

Lame response Mayor.
What airport will you be making your arrest in tomorrow?

While you're at it...How about arresting that Kenyan who's illegally posing as our President?

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

f they believe that Kenyan character is going to get re-elected.

in a word ... YES

Originally Posted by Oscar99

when you buy a plane ticket, you agree to have your bags searched for drugs & weapons, and have your person searched for drugs & weapons. a plane ticket is a contract.

if you don't like this contract, don't buy the ticket and take a train, bus, or boat instead.

Wrong.

The TSA is under the control of Homeland Security, a duly constituted Department of the United States government, and those unconstitutional searches are a REQUIREMENT, under federal law, for anyone attempting to exercise their Constitutional freedom of travel.

The Federal law directly violated the Fourth Amendment.

Period.