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    Question What If

    I have been an Obama supporter for the last (3) years though I have always voted Republican since I was legally able to vote. I am an Independent and have voted Democratic or Independent in local, county and state elections my whole life.

    I could not sleep last evening and watched a CNN re-run, I guess of the 17th debate for the Republicans.

    Ron Paul spoke about hsi desire to bring home our troops from the far away stations we have maintained since WWII and how he would fund a health care plan with those monies saved from overseas military installations. I believe he also does not like the individual mandate.

    My polling question is simple and I do hope that many would participate from all political viewpoints.

    Would you be in favor of a national health care program that was funded from the closure of military installations thus not causing the individual taxpayer or the individual user to pay for a national health care system and if that program was an optional one as opposed to the current mandated participation clause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallstuff View Post
    ... Would you be in favor of a national health care program that was funded from the closure of military installations thus not causing the individual taxpayer or the individual user to pay for a national health care system and if that program was an optional one as opposed to the current mandated participation clause?
    Do the numbers really work out? I mean, would the savings from closing military installations worldwide be enough to support a national health care plan in perpetuity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Do the numbers really work out? I mean, would the savings from closing military installations worldwide be enough to support a national health care plan in perpetuity?
    That's my question. And no, i don't believe so.
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    Sorry, but you need to go back and watch the debate. Paul stated the money would be used for those people currently dependent on the government for their medical needs. He has no intention of perpetuating a national healthcare system. He's completely against that idea. He's against government involvement in the healthcare system.
    Ron Paul Highlights - South Carolina CNN Debate 01/19/12 - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roshi View Post
    Sorry, but you need to go back and watch the debate. Paul stated the money would be used for those people currently dependent on the government for their medical needs. He has no intention of perpetuating a national healthcare system. He's completely against that idea. He's against government involvement in the healthcare system.
    Ron Paul Highlights - South Carolina CNN Debate 01/19/12 - YouTube
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    That sounds more like Paul.
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    I would support a worldwide demilitarization, as well as a minimum 40% reduction in DoD funding. However, just that won't fund a national healthcare plan for years to come. I still do support nationalized health insurance (not socialized medicine, there's a difference), but it would require other more permanent revenue sources.
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    As a general comment I would be in favor of taking at least half the money we devote to the DOD & apply it directly to a national single-payer HC system.
    A number of close family members have died from cancer but not a single one ever died from an Iranian missile, Chinese human-wave attack or N. Korean gunboat.
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    No it would not work and heres why...the money saved from closing military installations will remain the same, the cost for healthcare will go up every year and as the population grows and our morons in congress decide to not only cover illegal immigrants but some will want to cover half of pakistan and iran....
    National healthcare has one big pitfall that is never addressed on most forums where this topic arises...DOCTORS...the doctors are only going to take so much crap from politicians and they are only going to allow them to take so much off them before they cause them immeasurable grief with a huge work stoppage....the health care providers will determine if any health care plan works...not anyone else...they hold all the marbles.

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    Roshi- I think the basic premis of my statement is still valid. I did not quote Mr. Paul. I merely stated his viewpoint as I understood it, right or wrong and thus if he were to use monies for this (currently dependent) on the government for their healthcare needs, he would not be able to cut the valve off for those that need furture needs as that would violate his own set precedent. I know his former campaign manager died because he did not have health insurance but you saw what Mr. Pauls reaction was, to ask all his friends and campaign donors to pay for the costs of the gentlemans medical bills and funeral as that would have caused his widow to declare bankruptcy. Now does the rest of America have that ability to go around begging wealthy supporters for donations to offset their medical and funeral expenses or is that reserved for the well connected and well to do? That incident in of itself shows that Pauls plan is ridiculous and implausible for a wealthy, democratic nation that makes millionaires out of it's legislatures but would allow those less fortunate to rot in the streets. Sorry I won't go with that idea nor will Millions of other Americans that will become disabled, elderly and poor in the future, that is if they are smart enough to look further than the end of their noses.

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    Close the military bases and apply those savings to the national debt. Government participation in our healthcare system is the main reason costs have skyrocketed. The federal government has no business in the healthcare industry except to enforce the minimal amount of regulation to establish safety standards.

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