Thread: Al-Sahab Media Presents :: An Invitation To Islam

Originally Posted by M.3Antar

Everyone have the right to express his opinion in the way he feels right and he should do, and since your view is somehow normal and without any agressive act, you are welcomed.
May God praise everybody.

Thank you , and please join us in this discussion with your views.

And my friend I can't do agressive act in here , but if someone attacked me and my family I will be agressive, do you agree with me?

By the way can I post some videos that show what is really being hidden from you poor americans ? some of the facts that is not being shown on tv and won't be shown becaus is shows the real bad situation of the american army in iraq. I am sure that the members of this board will double many times just because of those hidden facts because people like to know what is really happening to their sons and grandsons there in the hell that is named Iraq.

Can I post some of those videos or not ? they are being posted in some arabic forums that is not allowed for anyone to register in , like alhesbah.org . And those videos are not about slaughtering or such actions , they are about explosions and face to face fight by RPGs and riffles and clachinkoff and other weapons, and they are taken by the Mujahideens' cameras.

I wish that the administrator answer me about that if he is concerned about showing the right picture to american people over here and for those who will register, and if this is a democratic board that is looking for facts and only facts.

They weren't ordered to do that shit. Instead, they're going to be punished very, very heavily.

On the other hand, I'm tired of Abu Graihb, almost all Americans recognize that was wrong, and again, the soldiers are being punished.

Makki, check your pm box about how to properly post links

Originally Posted by Feslin

They weren't ordered to do that shit. Instead, they're going to be punished very, very heavily.

On the other hand, I'm tired of Abu Graihb, almost all Americans recognize that was wrong, and again, the soldiers are being punished.

I don't know whether they were ordered or not. But my logic says that there are two cases :

First : if they are ordered to do that then it is a disaster for us and for all americans , bacause in this case America is being ruled by a gang of killers and thieves and rapists. So in this case we have to fight them in Iraq and you have to fight them in the US.

Second : if they are not ordered to do that , but they did it. In this case we also have to fight them (because they did it) , and you have the choice whether to fight them (because of their crimes against humanity) or to support them .

So in both cases Muslims in Iraq and Afganistan should defend themselves against a very big gang that is trying to take over the world just to satisfy a sick and fool man. And their defending can't be done without killing those invaders.

I am just trying to say why all this is happening and why Americans are being killed in Iraq. I am not trying to find execuses for criminals , but I am trying to tell the reasons for those heros why they are fighting.

And thank you for hoping that they will be punished, but man I don't think so , didn't you see how long those facts have been hidden from the media ? who is hiding them ? of course the leaders of the army (the same of the leaders of your country) are the people who are responsible of hiding those crimes. Do you think that such people who are trying to hide crimes like to punish the criminals ? I don't think so , and even if they were punished what about the rest who are still committing hidden crimes in Iraq ? and what kind of punishment will be taken against killers ? nothing is enough but to kill him the same way he killed innocents, isn't?

So in my view it's worthless to rely on this government (criminal government) to punish the criminals, but what is worth is to speak to those criminals in the language they understand. Those my friend just understand the Guns language , and that's what is going to teach them good manners.

Anyway thank you very much for your reply and i hope that America contain some people who think like the way you think

Bye

They didn't hide anything. And the criminals ARE being punished.

Not only that, but most American soldiers in Iraq are being good little obediant soldiers. Handing out candy to the children, protecting schools and hospitals, etc.

I can assure you that 80 percent of Americans hope they are/were punished. We're not evil people, and we (the people) truly have the best of intentions.

Originally Posted by davideyoung

Makki, check your pm box about how to properly post links

Thank you Mr. Davideyoung, and I will stick to the rules of this board.

I will try to post only materials that are supported with videos for people to believe what I am saying about what is happening over there in the hell that is called Iraq.

The videos will be just the same that Iraqi Mujahideen are posting in the Islamic forums (which are not allowed for everybody to register in) which are showing their daily and some old operations that they could record by their own cameras.

And I hope that by that this forum will become more popular that the CNN and people will come here just to know the pure truth that CNN and other media are hiding from them.

And please tell me if I broke any rules of this forum .

I will start very soon.

Cheers

OH YEAH! I have a very important question that I want a Muslim to answer, for my own curiosity.

What is your stance on Sharia?

Originally Posted by Feslin

They didn't hide anything. And the criminals ARE being punished.

Not only that, but most American soldiers in Iraq are being good little obediant soldiers. Handing out candy to the children, protecting schools and hospitals, etc.

I can assure you that 80 percent of Americans hope they are/were punished. We're not evil people, and we (the people) truly have the best of intentions.

I know that there are so many Americans who are against these crimes and I know that many of them are not evil. Actually I have American friends and I like them , they are really nice people and I am really sorry for them being ruled by such a president.

Actually the man in this video (in this topic) is American and he is speaking to Americans because he knows that there are good people among them, otherwise it is worthless to speak to a person who you know that he is not going to listen.

This video is an invitation to Islam, but at the same time it is an invitation to peace. it is an invitation for other americans not to support this president who is leading them to hell. Watch it and you will see that very clearly.

I think you are an example of those you are talking about.

But anyway , people who are being attacked can't look at this shiny side of the moon, the see that there are soldiers who are doing the ugliest crimes a man can imagine. That's why the peaceful voice of people here will not do anything unless it first stop the leader of criminals from committing crimes.

And for those soldiers who are giving chocolate and other staff to children in Iraq, this is nice but it is worthless unless the army goes out Iraq, because imagine what will be the emotions of a child whose father was killed when you give him a piece of chocolate? will he care about it ?

this is not an answer to Feslin but about the general thread(i already answered him in another thread about my not being muslim and that Sharia was a concept AFTER the Quran while TRUE believers of the Quran would know that the Quran itself is complete in and of itself and any additions to it(made by Hadiths, Sharia Laws, or otherwise) are not TRUE Islam since they are not TRUE "submission" to the word of Allah but only to the word of religious and political leaders):

Sufism is an Islamic denomination which is known the world over as one of the most peaceful religions in the world. Please try and understand what you are talking about when you refer to Islam. "Islamic extremist" or "Islamic fanaticism" is the more appropriate term. A fanatic or extremist is more likely to be convinced that people who do not submit to Islam(which means "submission" but doesn't mean "submission" to the religion but, rather, "submission" to Allah) deserves to die, while killing innocents is hardly a way to show "fear of Allah" and "submission" to His word.
and again, the proof:
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by those trying to malign the faith, or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.