If the bible were written today??

**MajikMyst** · 10th February 2011 10:21 PM

In one of the many conversations that my mother in law and myself get in to about religion..

We were watching some show on Stephen Hawking..

Assuming for a minute that God did in fact create all this.. He also created our brain and gave us the capacity to learn and understand.. We developed a number of schools of science ranging from math and physics, to medicine and astronomy..

The bible was written during a time when there was no science.. That time period is refered to as the bronze age.. People lived in clay huts and had no knowlege of science or the world around them.. They knew nothing about the animals.. Didn't even know about the rest of the world.. Places like Australia, South America, Anarctica, North America, and many other places simply did not exist to the writers of the bible.. While, if god did create everything, he knows about it all..

So.. Knowing that god created all this and gave us the ability to learn and figure things out..

If the bible were written today.. What would it say and how would it be different??

My other question is, why doesn't religion support science and the study there of?? After all god created it.. Is it against god to oppose science??

If god gaves us the gift of our own brain and the ability to learn as much as we have.. I fail to understand why religion try to compete or stand in the way of science and knowlege.. After all it is a gift from god..

Debates like evolution and creation are truly pointless.. One can say that god created the universe and let it evolve on it's own over billions of years.. The bible's version of creation is exactly what you would expect someone who has no clue of science to write.. Is that god's word knowing that god knows about everthing?? God knows about the universe, DNA, all the animals, everything on our planet.. So is the bible truely gods word??

**Seraphima** · 10th February 2011 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by MajikMyst

My other question is, why doesn't religion support science and the study there of?? After all god created it.. Is it against god to oppose science??

If god gaves us the gift of our own brain and the ability to learn as much as we have.. I fail to understand why religion try to compete or stand in the way of science and knowlege.. After all it is a gift from god..

Not every religion or religious group/person is stuck in the stone age. There are many out there that accept hybrids of the evolution/creation debate, like theistic evolution. Religion and science don't need to be pinned on one another and it's unfortunate that people feel the need to do just that. I see them as complimentary to one another. Science can explain a lot of things and so can religion in its own way.

Debates like evolution and creation are truly pointless.. One can say that god created the universe and let it evolve on it's own over billions of years.. The bible's version of creation is exactly what you would expect someone who has no clue of science to write.. Is that god's word knowing that god knows about everthing?? God knows about the universe, DNA, all the animals, everything on our planet.. So is the bible truely gods word??

If you were trying to explain astrophysics to a kindergarten class, what would you say?

**MajikMyst** · 10th February 2011 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Seraphima

Not every religion or religious group/person is stuck in the stone age. There are many out there that accept hybrids of the evolution/creation debate, like theistic evolution. Religion and science don't need to be pinned on one another and it's unfortunate that people feel the need to do just that. I see them as complimentary to one another. Science can explain a lot of things and so can religion in its own way.

If you were trying to explain astrophysics to a kindergarten class, what would you say?

I think you are making my post a little harder than it is.. I am not trying to explain astrophysics to a kindergarten class.. I am trying to make a simple point that I think you might have missed..

If the bible were written today, how would it be or would it be different??

The other question was simply that our brain and knowlege and ability to learn are all gifts from god per say.. So why doesn't religion embrace science and scientists?? Why isn't science as seen as exposing and explaining god's works??

I am not pinning anything to anything.. But through out history, religion and science were always at odds with eachother.. Countless scientists were tortured and killed as heretics..

My point about evolution is that even today, there are many people that don't believe in evolution but strictly believe in creation.. I am asking why Christians and or other religions, don't embrace science??

Logically speaking.. Evolution should be the new creatiion.. An answer given to us by god..

**Divine Wind** · 11th February 2011 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphima

If you were trying to explain astrophysics to a kindergarten class, what would you say?

Exactly. A teacher starts with some basic concepts and builds from there. They wouldn't just jump into time dilation equations as one moves closer to the speed of light.

**frodly** · 11th February 2011 07:51 AM

If the bible were written today, no one would believe it!! If people claimed it rained fire, scientists would say "no, that is just a meteor shower." If people claimed some one rose people from the dead, we would want evidence. The bible is simply a collection of bronze and iron age myths written by men in an attempt to explain the things they did not understand. That does not mean god isn't real, it just means the bible isn't.

**Iolo** · 11th February 2011 08:21 AM

The Bible couldn't be written today because we don't live in anything resembling that thought-world. Compare the King James Bible with the various committee-versions to see the difference: they can't even translate it into anything meaningful. I don't think any modern people would 'believe' in 'God' if they hadn't been brought up by people who were brought up by people who were brought up by people for whom that noise had real meaning, and a sort of after-glow remains. But they themselves are all dead.

**Dr Sampson Simpson** · 11th February 2011 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by MajikMyst

In one of the many conversations that my mother in law and myself get in to about religion..

We were watching some show on Stephen Hawking..

Assuming for a minute that God did in fact create all this.. He also created our brain and gave us the capacity to learn and understand.. We developed a number of schools of science ranging from math and physics, to medicine and astronomy..

The bible was written during a time when there was no science.. That time period is refered to as the bronze age.. People lived in clay huts and had no knowlege of science or the world around them.. They knew nothing about the animals.. Didn't even know about the rest of the world.. Places like Australia, South America, Anarctica, North America, and many other places simply did not exist to the writers of the bible.. While, if god did create everything, he knows about it all..

So.. Knowing that god created all this and gave us the ability to learn and figure things out..

If the bible were written today.. What would it say and how would it be different??

My other question is, why doesn't religion support science and the study there of?? After all god created it.. Is it against god to oppose science??

If god gaves us the gift of our own brain and the ability to learn as much as we have.. I fail to understand why religion try to compete or stand in the way of science and knowlege.. After all it is a gift from god..

Debates like evolution and creation are truly pointless.. One can say that god created the universe and let it evolve on it's own over billions of years.. The bible's version of creation is exactly what you would expect someone who has no clue of science to write.. Is that god's word knowing that god knows about everthing?? God knows about the universe, DNA, all the animals, everything on our planet.. So is the bible truely gods word??

It's quite obvious what the bible is. man made thoughts, clearly with influence of the times. Little actual understanding of science, lots of supernatural and physically impossible thing. Basically its word of mouth stories being written long after the supposed events, that were passed down and made more exaggerated. Likely many real events that were continually added to it to make them sound more amazing and magical, which is definitely in human nature. Then you have the books included and excluded to make it sound better. THe people back then had little physical understanding of nature and what caused things, and regularly believed anything they didn't understand was god or gods work. Acts of nature, which we could explain today, must be the working of some spirits, whether it be the devil or god.

It's no wonder that god, definitely god in the OT, had characteristics identical to all the great leaders of world civilizations throughout history. They were often viewed as gods. They demanded worship, they were vengeful, all powerful. So humans, using only what they knew at the time, would make god out to have these characterstics of what they viewed a god as. Considering kinds and other rulers were viewed as gods throughout history, up until that time, its no wonder god had these very same characterstics.

**Dr Sampson Simpson** · 11th February 2011 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphima

Not every religion or religious group/person is stuck in the stone age. There are many out there that accept hybrids of the evolution/creation debate, like theistic evolution. Religion and science don't need to be pinned on one another and it's unfortunate that people feel the need to do just that. I see them as complimentary to one another. Science can explain a lot of things and so can religion in its own way.

If you were trying to explain astrophysics to a kindergarten class, what would you say?

Religion doesn't explain anything, realistically. It makes up the answers to the unknowable. That isn't really explaining anything. it's just making up the answer. WHat tangible, real world things, that can be used in the real world, does the bible provide? You can say morals, I guess, but religion is not needed for morals. That's a product of civilization and even evolution, as we are a social creature and treating each other nicely is beneficial

**Dr Sampson Simpson** · 11th February 2011 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by frodly

If the bible were written today, no one would believe it!! If people claimed it rained fire, scientists would say "no, that is just a meteor shower." If people claimed some one rose people from the dead, we would want evidence. The bible is simply a collection of bronze and iron age myths written by men in an attempt to explain the things they did not understand. That does not mean god isn't real, it just means the bible isn't.

Was just going to say the same thing. Nobody would believe it.

**angryamerican** · 11th February 2011 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by frodly

If the bible were written today, no one would believe it!! If people claimed it rained fire, scientists would say "no, that is just a meteor shower." If people claimed some one rose people from the dead, we would want evidence. The bible is simply a collection of bronze and iron age myths written by men in an attempt to explain the things they did not understand. That does not mean god isn't real, it just means the bible isn't.

Not sure what you are trying to say....? You don't believe a virgin could become pregnant thru immaculate conception? That Jesus couldn't be Infinite(God) and finite at the same time? That God sending his only begotten son to die means nothing as if Jesus was God then he wouldn't actually die but only return thus no real sacrifice??? Are you really wanting me to believe that man can't walk on water, raise the dead thru non medical treatment, heal the blind thru non medical procedures.
You honestly don't think the Red Sea parted? That a whale didn't swallow a man and his boat? that another man built a boat big enough for 2 of every single land dwelling animal and food and drinking water and so on...
You don't think these things would be swallowed for the first time ever heard if they were heard for the first time today?
Neither do I.......
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