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    The six major complaints of non-Christians have against Christians.

    1. Hypocritical
    2. Focused on converts.
    3. Anti-Homosexual
    4. Sheltered
    5. Political
    6. Judgmental

    These criticisms would surface no matter how well Christians try to be loving and gracious. After all, many of these same people would probably call Jesus judgmental. So some of these perceptions will be with us no matter what we say or do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    1. Hypocritical
    2. Focused on converts.
    3. Anti-Homosexual
    4. Sheltered
    5. Political
    6. Judgmental

    These criticisms would surface no matter how well Christians try to be loving and gracious. After all, many of these same people would probably call Jesus judgmental. So some of these perceptions will be with us no matter what we say or do.
    Good points. 1. I try to live the life i believe, but I slip up once in awhile. Not perfect, but better then I was before conversion
    2. I don't focus on converts, but when the opportunity to share comes my way, I can't keep my mouth shut.
    3. I don't agree with the lifestyle , but I still like the person. My Gay cousin is one of my best friends.
    4. I'm anything but sheltered. Lived a wild life before conversion.
    5. I'm political, but most other Christians I'm around don't care for politics
    6. I do make a judgement when it comes to someone else possibly leading me down the path of destruction. I could say I don't care if other people want to destroy their lives, but I do care. If I point out that a person is ruining their life on drugs, then yes I am warning them about their destruction. I would call that a Judgement call, not judging them. I have been down that road of destruction, so I know what its like. Most Christians are born and raised in the church and never have had a worldly life. Usually those Christians are the ones that have a hard time relating to those that aren't Christians. Paul the Apostle was a Christian killer before he was converted. He turned out some of the best books in the new testament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    1. Hypocritical
    2. Focused on converts.
    3. Anti-Homosexual
    4. Sheltered
    5. Political
    6. Judgmental

    These criticisms would surface no matter how well Christians try to be loving and gracious. After all, many of these same people would probably call Jesus judgmental. So some of these perceptions will be with us no matter what we say or do.
    1. I agree with this. Many of the Christians I have met are hypocrites. I've known a couple of good Christian men who walked the walk. I have the utmost respect for them and trust in their words.
    2. Other than the folks who show up on Saturday mornings when I'm trying to feed the baby, I really don't concern myself with them. They are doing what they believe in.
    3. To me this is one of the greatest sins that Christians commit. Christians say that God made us all and we are all special but they exclude gays and lesbians. See #1.
    4. I believe it is wrong to shelter their children from the real world. This isn't the 50's and they will be ill-prepared for the real world. I've seen too many Christian kids go buck wild once they turn 18 and get out into the world.
    5. I don't care if they are political as long as they give up their tax exempt status. I think that will truly hurt the smaller community churches and lead to a much closer scrutiny of the mega churches.
    6. I think we can all agree that this is a sin and we witness it happening on a daily basis here at PH.

    As for the rest, No, I wouldn't call Jesus judgmental. But I would call most of the Christians here judgmental. It would be a more peaceful and loving world if Christians quit using God's words as an excuse for their bad behavior and start actually following the lessons of Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    These criticisms would surface no matter how well Christians try to be loving and gracious. After all, many of these same people would probably call Jesus judgmental. So some of these perceptions will be with us no matter what we say or do.
    I don't think I have ever read a post from an atheist or agnostic that is critical of Jesus. Just many of his "followers" and that's because they deserve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    I don't think I have ever read a post from an atheist or agnostic that is critical of Jesus. Just many of his "followers" and that's because they deserve it.
    1) Labeling Christians as hypocrites, because they sin and speak out about all sin...is sorta judgemental. Christians understand that all sin, saved or unsaved...one is supposed to repent, the other excuses the behavior.

    2) Jesus issued the great commision...a believer is called to all of Christ's teachings, not selective, less offensive teachings.

    3) Anti-sin. All are welcome, gays, thiefs, drug addicts, adulterers...All are asked to turn to Him and away from sin...No one is asked to change, instead they are asked to accept Christ and allow Him to work in you.

    4) Sheltered? Not what we are called to be, we are supposed to walk the walk in plain sight...evangelism by example. That's why Christians should not try to beat non believers up with in your face accusations...instead we should win them over, in love.

    5) Political? Why not? Should Christians, simply because of their faith be denied free speech and political views that uphold their beliefs?

    6) Most of these judgemental accusations stem from a misunderstanding...that somehow unless one is perfect, one cannot point out what God considers sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    1) Labeling Christians as hypocrites, because they sin and speak out about all sin...is sorta judgemental. Christians understand that all sin, saved or unsaved...one is supposed to repent, the other excuses the behavior. - Many are hypocrites. They have children and grandchildren born out of wedlock, but spend their time telling gays they are going to hell.

    2) Jesus issued the great commision...a believer is called to all of Christ's teachings, not selective, less offensive teachings. I am quite familiar with the great commission. I don't need a lecture from you.

    3) Anti-sin. All are welcome, gays, thiefs, drug addicts, adulterers...All are asked to turn to Him and away from sin...No one is asked to change, instead they are asked to accept Christ and allow Him to work in you. They are most certainly not made to feel welcome.

    4) Sheltered? Not what we are called to be, we are supposed to walk the walk in plain sight...evangelism by example. That's why Christians should not try to beat non believers up with in your face accusations...instead we should win them over, in love. You dont' win people over by telling them they are going to hell.

    5) Political? Why not? Should Christians, simply because of their faith be denied free speech and political views that uphold their beliefs? Where are people trying to deny Christians their first amendment right? That doesn't even make sense. But, if from the church, people are told how to vote, then that church should no longer be tax exempt.

    6) Most of these judgemental accusations stem from a misunderstanding...that somehow unless one is perfect, one cannot point out what God considers sin. If there is a misunderstanding then perhaps you need to look to yourself and your fellow Christians and decide whether or not you just might be contributing to the problem. Or you could continue to blame non-believers
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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    1. Hypocritical
    The majority of christians I know are not hypocritical. At least not more than everybody else.

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    2. Focused on converts.
    Most of the christians I know are Catholics and Presbyterians, and I don't see them going for converts like Southern Baptists, Jehovah Wittnesses, and Mormons.

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    3. Anti-Homosexual
    None of the Presbyterians I know are anti homosexual but every Catholic I know is.

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    4. Sheltered
    Nobody is sheltered in California, at least nobody I know

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    5. Political
    I don't think christians are political so much as politicians are claiming christianity as a weapon (Republicans)

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    6. Judgmental
    When it comes to gay marriage, abortion, and Islam, yes.

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    These criticisms would surface no matter how well Christians try to be loving and gracious. After all, many of these same people would probably call Jesus judgmental. So some of these perceptions will be with us no matter what we say or do.
    Unfortunatly the Christians that are judgemental Republican homophobes are the only christians the media is focusing on these days, and that gives the rest of you a bad name. I know some churches that embrace the teachings of Jesus and reach out to thier fellow man and those who suffer, and some churches are just a refuge from reality for some folks.

    Christians are not victims. Everybody in the world has people who percieve them in a negative light, that's just life. It would be easy to come up with six major complaints about whites, or men, or Californians, or Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    ...Christians are not victims. Everybody in the world has people who percieve them in a negative light, that's just life. It would be easy to come up with six major complaints about whites, or men, or Californians, or Democrats.
    Just a caveat... In the western world, Christians are not victims. The Coptic Christians in Egypt, Iran, and other middle-eastern countries are victims in every sense of the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    I don't think I have ever read a post from an atheist or agnostic that is critical of Jesus. Just many of his "followers" and that's because they deserve it.
    It is not the person of Jesus that is the problem. He was an excellent example of trying to live a good life. As Gandhi said I could follow Jesus but then I met his followers and they are nothing like him. That is not a direct quote. It is a paraphrase. I am to lazy to look it up.

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    I have one, they just need to shut up and stop telling everybody how much faith they have and what their beliefs are. If you have absolutely no proof that what you believe is true, and all it is is faith, its something you keep to yourself unless the discussion is mutual. I could care less about all the other's on the OPs list which isn't really exclusive to christians if they just would stop preaching, stop thinking they can force their beliefs into law.


 
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