Thread: LDS Controversy

Originally Posted by Goldwater

You...Oberdan...are taking the side of the Chinese over the Tibetan Buddhists and the Dalai Lama?

You are pretty Mavericky!

Here, this stuff will blow your mind and will completely explain why the CNN article you've offered doesn't prove that any Buddhists spread Buddhism through violence in an organized way. The most provocative reaction I've seen from Buddhist monks when the Chinese roll through is running.

The Free Tibet Movement: A Selective Narrative

Tibetan Buddhism

Goldwater, dude, I never, ever said they spread their religion through violence, and if I did anywhere, please quote me on it.

I said and insinuated that they get involved with Government affairs. I do not side with the Chinese. But the Buddhists should know that people will get hurt, even killed, for inspiring anything that goes against their ruling Government. Understand, for Buddhists, that's pretty radical. Getting in anyone's face, even while smiling, knowing a violent reaction will come means they are propagating that reaction and propagating the violence.

I know you see that stuff way too easily, and I don't blame you for it. I blame the Neocons for coloring your view of how people talk about religion. :therethere:

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

Horse shit, I don't believe that. Prove it.

By the looks of things the IRS is going to do just that. That choir of yours better sell a shitload of Christmas CDs to offset the fines that are in the church's future.

These things happen lets move on, right Bourne???

Originally Posted by michaelr

These things happen lets move on, right Bourne???

If you want to, go ahead.

Originally Posted by Oberdan

Goldwater, dude, I never, ever said they spread their religion through violence, and if I did anywhere, please quote me on it.

First there was this:

Originally Posted by Oberdan

You two are kinda funny. What makes you think only the Mormons play with politics?

Pastors take politics to the pulpit -- baltimoresun.com

Now go and bash all of Christianity, not just one faction.

If you feel like bashing other religions for messing with Governments, don't forget the Buddhists and Muslims. They are far worse and far more involved than Christianity ever was.

I mean heck, as long as you got the angry finger waving, might as well spread the anti-love some

I said and insinuated that they get involved with Government affairs. I do not side with the Chinese. But the Buddhists should know that people will get hurt, even killed, for inspiring anything that goes against their ruling Government. Understand, for Buddhists, that's pretty radical. Getting in anyone's face, even while smiling, knowing a violent reaction will come means they are propagating that reaction and propagating the violence.

I've got to learn to not try and juggle two different topics on one thread when both of them make me as angry as they do. I wasn't focusing on what you wrote completely and I apologize.

You're right, Islam and Buddhism are far more intrenched in the legislative processes of some countries. But not all Buddhist countries, and not all Islamic countries are "worse" than Christianity's campaign of oppression seeking the denial of human rights in America. I mean it's an outside army of occupation that is denying the rights of the Buddhist nation of Tibet. Not Buddhists trying to oppress gays in Tibet.

I could go on all week about which religion sucks the hardest. But this thread is about LDS loosers meddling and funding a California state Proposition from thier Dr Evil tabernacle of satan. Buddhists do not consider being gay sexual misconduct of any kind like Islam and Christsatanity do.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

Controversy over "Yes" Campaign on Proposition 8

Several parties have filed lawsuits over the Church of Latter Day Saint's involvement in the Proposition 8 "Yes" campaign. Evidence has surfaced that indicates Church funds were used in the campaign, which violates Federal Tax Exemption Code for churches. Should they succeed then the Church of LDS is in severe danger of losing its tax exempt status and being subject to income and property taxation by the Federal and State governments.

Other evidence has been produced that tells something even more chilling; the church of LDS has had a plan to introduce this sort of amendment since the late 60's. One document detailing conference minutes states that the LDS in California was planning to form an alliance with the Catholic Church in order to get this legislation passed.

Sorry Ausinus, but your link goes to PH. I wonder how many here so far even found and read the link you intended. It appears to be the same problem I had with posting a link recently, which you were kind enough to point out.

I believe I did find the discussion on kos you were talking about and there is no evidence about the church using funds as far as I saw. There was discussion about the church having a coalition with the Catholic church in raising money, nothing new. All I saw was nothing more than speculation and hearsay from dailykos.

Overall, I agree with Oberdan on this issue.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

Forget Mormons. They are members of the stupidest religion ever.

I see you have made several of these types of statements on this thread. I have to say, since I am a Mormon, that I respectfully disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Engine-Ear

I know it's not exactly on topic, but it is funny as heck, The Mormon Temple near Bethesda MD is just outside the Washington DC Beltway and it bares a resemblance to the Emerald City, anyway, as your'e approaching it on the outerloop of the beltway, you see it rising majesticly from the woods. You have to pass under an old B&O railroad bridge that has "Surrender Dorothy" spray painted on it for about the past 35 years. Look at the graffiti section on this wikipedia link for more info,

Washington D.C. Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, I have been to that temple and saw the graffiti. I thought it was funny too.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I see you have made several of these types of statements on this thread. I have to say, since I am a Mormon, that I respectfully disagree with you.

Being passive agressive can fool many but has the same effect on your blood pressure and long term cardiac health.

However, I would not like to be presumptuous, so I will acknowlege the possibility that you're spiritualy grounded enough to actually not hold my inflammatory statements against me and pray for my well being.

I'm mad at the Mormons who funded Yes on 8 who don't live in California. It would be a lie to say I didn't mean any dissrespect to you if you are a 10%er or donate money to the church. If you are, then you paid for the oppression of God's children, my personal friends, and nothing would thrill me more than seeing you suffer as much as I can legally make you and those little freaks you go to church with.

Mormons started it, and Catholics too. It's a violation of human rights based on stupidity. Scum like Mormons and the Catholics used to deny blacks the right to marry whites, and give all a woman's property to her Husband. Now your sadistic abomination is persecuting one of the last demographics to be denied marital rights, gays.

I am a Buddhist and I am falling short of Nirvana when I let myself become enraged by Mormon stupidity and pent up sadism. Mormonism surely must believe misery loves company.

Originally Posted by Christopher

Sorry Ausinus, but your link goes to PH. I wonder how many here so far even found and read the link you intended. It appears to be the same problem I had with posting a link recently, which you were kind enough to point out.

I believe I did find the discussion on kos you were talking about and there is no evidence about the church using funds as far as I saw. There was discussion about the church having a coalition with the Catholic church in raising money, nothing new. All I saw was nothing more than speculation and hearsay from dailykos.

Overall, I agree with Oberdan on this issue.

The evidence which has surfaced is a leak from within the Church itself, and I am far more inclined to trust the IRS than any Mormon Church. Kiss your tax exempt status goodbye, bastards.