Thread: LDS Controversy

Originally Posted by Ausinus

If they violate the federal tax code then they lose their tax exempt status, that is plain and simple.

I agree with that. I just didn't think it was fair to only pick on the Mormons when so many others are just as guilty.

Originally Posted by Bourne

What has me concerned is that they weren't making a partisan political statement, they were using a tax exempt church to further bigotry towards a lifestyle.

The true root of this problem Bourne, this isn't bigotry as far as the Churches are concerned. When a Government starts making laws concerning a moral issue, involving a ceremony that originated with a calling to a higher power for a union, then we start to have problems.

The Government took marriage and turned it into a money making thing to regulate and tax. You even have to pay the Government for your "right" to get married int he form of a marriage license.

Sure, the Church isn't supposed to get involved with politics, but politics can get involved with the Churches?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Churches. In order to understand the true issues involved, we have to look at the roots of what marriage is, what the Government turned it into, and why are there citizens out there looking for a religious acceptence of a religious ceremoney that is currently regulated by the Government?

If it's all that critical, why don't the gays form their own Church, which only requires 13 people and a charter, institute their own doctrine that allows Marriage between gays and just perform the ceremony and have it at that?

OH yeah, the state doesn't recognize it... but then, if we are to have a true separation of Church and State, then the Government needs to stay the hell out of it and let the people do as they will, like they should in a free society.

Now you know why Ron Paul says it needs to be delegated out of Federal regulation, and let the people excersize the 10th Amendment in the Bill of Rights. That way if California outlaws it but it's OK in say, Nevada (not sure if it is, this is just an example), then they can run to that state, get married and go home.

Moral issues should never be made into laws by the Federal Government for that very reason.

Originally Posted by Bourne

to further bigotry towards a lifestyle.

"Bigotry towards a lifestyle"

Is a bigotry towards "a lifestyle" in and of itself bad on its face or something?

Is not wanting to encourage support or sanction a particular "lifestyle" bigotry on it's face?

How come when I ever use the term "gay lifestyle" I am corrected by the pro-gay side that there is no such thing and am asked there there is one else withdraw the claim?

Originally Posted by Ausinus

Controversy over "Yes" Campaign on Proposition 8

Several parties have filed lawsuits over the Church of Latter Day Saint's involvement in the Proposition 8 "Yes" campaign. Evidence has surfaced that indicates Church funds were used in the campaign, which violates Federal Tax Exemption Code for churches. Should they succeed then the Church of LDS is in severe danger of losing its tax exempt status and being subject to income and property taxation by the Federal and State governments.

Other evidence has been produced that tells something even more chilling; the church of LDS has had a plan to introduce this sort of amendment since the late 60's. One document detailing conference minutes states that the LDS in California was planning to form an alliance with the Catholic Church in order to get this legislation passed.

Hahahahahahahahaaa. GOOD! And thanks to all the very religious latinos too that voted properly,,,,hahhahaa :laughing:You will have to travel further now, skippy, hahahaha

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

Hahahahahahahahaaa. GOOD! And thanks to all the very religious latinos too that voted properly,,,,hahhahaa :laughing:You will have to travel further now, skippy, hahahaha

Actually no, the proposition is already being challenged in the California Supreme Court and if it is not struck down there then it will be struck down in the US Supreme Court. If it happens in the SCOTUS, then it will be legal nationwide, and we will have the Church of LDS to thank :laughing:

Originally Posted by Ausinus

Actually no, the proposition is already being challenged in the California Supreme Court and if it is not struck down there then it will be struck down in the US Supreme Court. If it happens in the SCOTUS, then it will be legal nationwide, and we will have the Church of LDS to thank :laughing:

Dream on, Skippy.

It won't happen. THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED. GET OVER IT! WHY THE FUCK CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THAT? WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM WITH NOT GETTING YOUR WAY?

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

Dream on, Skippy.

It won't happen. THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED. GET OVER IT! WHY THE FUCK CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THAT? WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM WITH NOT GETTING YOUR WAY?

What the people decide in this matter is irrelevant, civil rights exist to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

Get ready for another Loving v. Virginia Z-boy, and get ready for gay marriages nationwide. :laughing:

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

Hahahahahahahahaaa. GOOD! And thanks to all the very religious latinos too that voted properly,,,,hahhahaa :laughing:You will have to travel further now, skippy, hahahaha

Your church is about to get taxed and audited into the ground, skippy. :whistling:

Originally Posted by Stinger

Is a bigotry towards "a lifestyle" in and of itself bad on its face or something?

Um, I am going to go out on a limb and say yes.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

What the people decide in this matter is irrelevant, civil rights exist to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

Get ready for another Loving v. Virginia Z-boy, and get ready for gay marriages nationwide. :laughing:

You're bloody INSANE. How can you hope to become a lawyer when your thoughts are so fucked up? Get off the drugs, Skippy or you'll never be a lawyer.

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

You're bloody INSANE. How can you hope to become a lawyer when your thoughts are so fucked up? Get off the drugs, Skippy or you'll never be a lawyer.

How do you feel about the great great grandson of Brigham Young donating $50,000 to defeat prop 8?