Getting Morals From Science

**Bluegrass** · 14th January 2010 01:28 AM

I've thought about this, and while my opinion is always subject to change these days, it seems highly plausible. (Ironically, carving an opinion in stone is decidedly anti-science.)

Science does not judge you, science extends your health, science creates physical safety in your life, science creates an ethical standard, science gives you the ability to communicate in ways never thought possible before, science creates an avenue to help people, science helps correct unhealthy mental instability, science makes cohabitation with other species more smooth, science protects human and other animal habitats, science feeds people, etc...

I suppose science does not create morals, however, gives us truth because it requires evidence shown to find truths. So essentially, awareness. How can one move toward mindful actions and speech without knowing truth?

Dogmas just give us a so-called "moral objectivity", which is self contradictory and false.

**kmiller1610** · 14th January 2010 01:32 AM

All of which should tell us that a consensus of scientists should not lead to our dryer cycle not working.

See the button? It says Dryer Cycle.

**Roach** · 15th January 2010 06:05 AM

[quote name='kmiller1610' date='14 January 2010 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1263457940' post='99081']

All of which should tell us that a consensus of scientists should not lead to our dryer cycle not working.

See the button? It says Dryer Cycle.

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Working dryer cycles: For those who would rather have the environment collapse around them than have wet dishes!

u could set up a fuck you enviornment washing machine store with working washing machines eh kmiller

**Conservative15** · 8th February 2010 12:49 PM

[quote name='Bluegrass' date='14 January 2010 - 02:28 AM' timestamp='1263457709' post='99079']

I've thought about this, and while my opinion is always subject to change these days, it seems highly plausible. (Ironically, carving an opinion in stone is decidedly anti-science.)

Science does not judge you, science extends your health, science creates physical safety in your life, science creates an ethical standard, science gives you the ability to communicate in ways never thought possible before, science creates an avenue to help people, science helps correct unhealthy mental instability, science makes cohabitation with other species more smooth, science protects human and other animal habitats, science feeds people, etc...

I suppose science does not create morals, however, gives us truth because it requires evidence shown to find truths. So essentially, awareness. How can one move toward mindful actions and speech without knowing truth?

Dogmas just give us a so-called "moral objectivity", which is self contradictory and false.

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I'm not buying that... Morals come from God. How can you tell someone that their morals are wrong or even what a moral is if there is no moral standard?

How can an atheist call a murderer "evil?" "Evil" according to who? Who is the decider of what is "evil?"

**kmiller1610** · 8th February 2010 01:15 PM

[quote name='Roach' date='15 January 2010 - 08:05 AM' timestamp='1263560700' post='99585']

Working dryer cycles: For those who would rather have the environment collapse around them than have wet dishes!

u could set up a fuck you enviornment washing machine store with working washing machines eh kmiller[/quote]

The delusional connection between dryers that don't work and the survival of the planet reveals an irrational faith in man made solutions to imaginary problems.

Try a real religion. It's more satisfying.

**Djinn** · 8th February 2010 01:31 PM

Trying to get morals from science is like trying to obtain knowledge from religion.

Morals come from society, and religion is an optional facet of society.

**Conservative15** · 8th February 2010 01:51 PM

[quote name='Djinn' date='08 February 2010 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1265661119' post='112697']

Trying to get morals from science is like trying to obtain knowledge from religion.

Morals come from society, and religion is an optional facet of society.

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Where do atheists get morals? In other words, who sets the standard?

**Sparta** · 8th February 2010 01:53 PM

[quote name='Conservative15' date='08 February 2010 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1265658590' post='112675']

I'm not buying that... Morals come from God. How can you tell someone that their morals are wrong or even what a moral is if there is no moral standard?

How can an atheist call a murderer "evil?" "Evil" according to who? Who is the decider of what is "evil?"

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The bible teaches us some immoral lessons, that we understand they are immoral clearly defines god's moral standard as one that existed before organized religion.

**Djinn** · 8th February 2010 01:57 PM

[quote name='Conservative15' date='08 February 2010 - 03:51 PM' timestamp='1265662263' post='112704']

Where do atheists get morals? In other words, who sets the standard?

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Society sets the standards. We have laws and customs. Some of them happen to resemble those found in some religious texts. Others bear no resemblance. But our man-made laws and customs define our morals. I help others NOT because I expect some reward in the afterlife, NOT because I'm scared of being punished in the afterlife, NOT because I expect some sort of karmic reward in the near-future, but because some person needs help, and I'm there to do it. That's all.

**Conservative15** · 8th February 2010 02:03 PM

[quote name='Djinn' date='08 February 2010 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1265662635' post='112708']

Society sets the standards. We have laws and customs. Some of them happen to resemble those found in some religious texts. Others bear no resemblance. But our man-made laws and customs define our morals. I help others NOT because I expect some reward in the afterlife, NOT because I'm scared of being punished in the afterlife, NOT because I expect some sort of karmic reward in the near-future, but because some person needs help, and I'm there to do it. That's all.

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And where does society get the standards? The society is made up of individual people... Where are those individual people getting their morals? And who is society to say what is immoral?

The point is that atheism has no standard. Christians believe morals came from God and that God set the standards.