Thread: The end of freedom

The end of freedom

I am shackled hand and foot spread eagle on the floor of my cell. I ask my jailer everyday to set me free. Finally he compassionately sets me free.

For days I am exhilarated with the ability to freely pace about my cell. After a few weeks I begin to beg my jailer to set me free. After weeks he, being a compassionate man, sets me free from my cell.

For days I am exhilarated at the freedom to wonder about and speak with other inmates. After several weeks I begin to beg my jailer to free me and finally he relents and releases me from jail. I am overwhelmed with the sense of freedom until I, overcome with hunger and basic needs, seek some work so as to feed myself.

I find a job working on an assembly line and am exhilarated at the new found freedom. After a year I begin to seek other less strenuous and repetitive assembly line work. I wish to free myself from this robotic work I do everyday.

What is the ‘telos’ (ultimate end) of this series of ever persistent desire for freedom? Is hunger for freedom similar to hunger for food, never satiated? I don’t think so. I think the search for freedom can culminate in an ultimate and satisfying end.

Freedom, I suspect, is a search for self-determination. When we feel that we are master of our domain, when we are free to determine who we are and what we need to be our self we will have reached that ‘telos’ of freedom. I suspect this end is as unique as a finger print, it is an act of creation and can be made conscious to me only by me.

I think each of us must learn for our self what we need to secure freedom’s ‘telos’. Probably most of us find only a degree of freedom, but if we never stop looking we may continue finding more of it.

And then you seek to live without the need of skin and bone. To be free of this body that encases this spirit.

Freedom is the ability to test that freedom and I suppose having that chance is the ultimate, for me.

Self knowledge is the essence of self-actualization. Freedom and self-actualization feed upon one another. The more freedom we have the more likely we are to self-actualize and as we do we gain more freedom. They share a symbiotic relationship.

Nice to 'see' you, coberst.
I think therer are two sorts of freedom:
Western-style, political: freedom of movement, of expression
Eastern-style, spriritual: freedom from desire

Originally Posted by johnflesh

And then you seek to live without the need of skin and bone. To be free of this body that encases this spirit.

Freedom is the ability to test that freedom and I suppose having that chance is the ultimate, for me.

This is maybe the most erudite post you've made yet!

I agree freedom is what you concider free.

Freedom is an illusion. We're never totally free and never can be. We live in a world where so much is out of our control, where outside influences can dictate not only our choices, but our ability to go on breathing. We have no control over our futures and, hence, are blown along like leaves in the wind, going whither we want not to go.

There is no freedom.

Originally Posted by kit

Freedom is an illusion. We're never totally free and never can be. We live in a world where so much is out of our control, where outside influences can dictate not only our choices, but our ability to go on breathing. We have no control over our futures and, hence, are blown along like leaves in the wind, going whither we want not to go.

There is no freedom.

There is freedom. I only disagree as to state that 'there is no freedom' is to give up. Don't give up so easily.

There is no such thing as freedom. There may never be such a thing .. especially in existence.