Thread: Satan, the number 2 god

Christianity is polytheistic in nature even though christians claim otherwise, byt alas incorrectly.

Satan is a god with the same powers as yaweh. If not, your god would have smashed this so called evil being and gotten rid if hell and suffering, but anyone who reads the bible will know that the christian god is not very powerful as he can not get rid of satan nor can he fight chariots of iron.

Then it also seems that the so called angels have god like properties as they can freely interact with humans and have abilities that no human has ever had, hence they can also be considered gods.

Last but not least, the trinity, which again gives you 3 different gods meshed into one big pudding.

Why is it so difficult for christians to admit they are polytheistic?

Why can't yaweh get rid of satan? If god do not want to, he is nothing but a sadist. If he can't, he is not very powerful. So which is it?

A baiting atheist, are we?

Originally Posted by Idletime

Christianity is polytheistic in nature even though christians claim otherwise, byt alas incorrectly.

Satan is a god with the same powers as yaweh. If not, your god would have smashed this so called evil being and gotten rid if hell and suffering, but anyone who reads the bible will know that the christian god is not very powerful as he can not get rid of satan nor can he fight chariots of iron.

Then it also seems that the so called angels have god like properties as they can freely interact with humans and have abilities that no human has ever had, hence they can also be considered gods.

Last but not least, the trinity, which again gives you 3 different gods meshed into one big pudding.

Why is it so difficult for christians to admit they are polytheistic?

Why can't yaweh get rid of satan? If god do not want to, he is nothing but a sadist. If he can't, he is not very powerful. So which is it?

You could at try doing a little research before putting this stuff up here.

Bill Maher's Absurd Take on Religion


If Judaism or Christianity actually taught even a fraction of the absurdities Bill Maher apparently thinks they teach, I would send him my resume and petition him to bring me on as a co-producer of his upcoming documentary, “The Absurdity of Religion” (title still indefinite), as announced last night on "Larry King Live." I, too, would want to reveal the fraud.
I suspect we would make perfect business partners — a publicist’s dream team. My work as an adviser on the set of Mel Gibson’s “Passion of the Christ,” my role as an analyst for the FOX News Channel and the fact my home/workplace is a stone's throw from the Vatican might partially offset Mr. Maher’s reputation as being somewhat biased toward things religious. Together, we would laugh our way all the way to the box office and perhaps liberate a few paltry-minded believers along the way.
But there’s one problem: Not a fraction of Bill Maher’s statements about Christian and Jewish beliefs coincide with what, in fact, Christianity and Judaism say of themselves.
Unlike in Bill Maher’s world of comedy (where he truly excels), in theology, truth is not optional, opportunistic or malleable. Things are, or they aren’t, but they can’t be both.
Because Mr. Maher has decided to step out of his field of expertise and into mine, in a genuine spirit of dialogue, I would like to clarify a few things here that he has managed to jumble. You will notice that I am assuming the best — that Mr. Maher simply doesn’t know what Christianity really teaches.



• If Christianity really taught that God took out a pen, wrote a book for us, called it the Bible and dropped it from the clouds, I, too, would doubt. But Mr. Maher, Christianity doesn’t teach that. As history shows, human beings wrote the Bible and, according to Christian belief, their writing was divinely inspired. Christians don’t suggest they can prove such inspiration with material evidence (the only kind skeptics would accept), but they consider faith (the assent of the heart) capable of grasping some immaterial, spiritual realities — like this one. On another note, from a purely historical standpoint, I think you would agree that 2,000 years of continual belief should be given some weight. In all this time, nobody has proven the Bible is NOT inspired, and therefore, by the same standard of material evidence, we should all agree that nobody can say Christians are definitely wrong about inspiration.
• If Christianity really taught that the man in the jungle who has never heard the name of Jesus is going to be damned forever to hell, I, too, would doubt. But Mr. Maher, Christianity doesn’t teach that. We are responsible to God in as much as God reveals himself to us. Christianity teaches that the saving grace of Jesus Christ is bigger than our date or place of birth. Christians believe God gives all of his children, in ways often unknowable to our little brains, the opportunity to accept or reject his love.



• If Christianity really taught that God created cancer, child abusers and earthquakes to torture his own children, I, too, would doubt. But Mr. Maher, Christianity doesn’t teach that. The evil in this world is not willed by God. Christianity teaches both physical and moral evil is a result of a world that is out of wack as a result of the misuse of our own human freedom. Like a good parent, God allows us to make mistakes and to live with the consequences. And even so, he doesn’t abandon us. He promises to bring forth a greater good out of every instance of evil. Ask someone with faith who has suffered great pain or loss and they will surely tell you how God has made good on his promise.
• If Christianity really taught that God sometimes commands us to kill the innocent in his name, I too would doubt. But Mr. Maher, Christianity doesn’t teach that. This would go against the very nature of God as all-loving and all-just. I am equally as scandalized as you are when I see religious people, in our checkered past and present, mistake their own pride and ignorance for the voice of God and march off to holy war. As Pope John Paul II said, “War is always a failure of humanity.”
• If Christianity really taught that people with homosexual tendencies are all going to hell, or that somehow they are not God’s children, I, too, would doubt. But Mr. Maher, Christianity doesn’t teach that.
And the explanations about what Christianity says about itself, and how this differs from Bill Maher’s subjective understanding, could go on and on. I only hope that when he travels, as promised, to the Holy Land and to the Vatican with his team of investigative journalists to do “research” for his new documentary about the absurdity of religious belief (to be released, of course, in the Easter season), he stops by my place, or the place of any of the more than two billion Christians and Jews who will explain why his vision of their religion, is, well … rather absurd.

God bless, Father Jonathan

P.S. A personal note to Bill Maher: I spend quite a bit of time in New York City. In the case it doesn’t work out for us to meet up at the Vatican during your travels, let me know and we can work out something on your side of the Atlantic.



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I don't think they are real Gods in nature in literature. They could be termed divinities and demi-Gods. I have read old literature where they prayed to certain angels for help against certain diseases and events. Churches are also named at their name.

All they do is recognize the central powers of God, and there you have monotheism. Michael defeated the Devil in heaven, if you read your literature, so he is more powerful in that sense.

Originally Posted by lakeman

You could at try doing a little research before putting this stuff up here.

Yeah, he should argue this way:

God is the all powerful God, the ONLY God. Nothing, not one thing, can happen without Her consent. Therefore, Satan acts with Her divine permission, serving Her will only.


Or. God is incompetent, and incompetents can't be omnipotent, and created an equal God that that act with a will of his own independently of any choice God might have in the matter. Therefore, God does not have a choice. This is a classic polytheistic scenario, and totally consistent with the Old Testament.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Yeah, he should argue this way:

God is the all powerful God, the ONLY God. Nothing, not one thing, can happen without Her consent. Therefore, Satan acts with Her divine permission, serving Her will only.


Or. God is incompetent, and incompetents can't be omnipotent, and created an equal God that that act with a will of his own independently of any choice God might have in the matter. Therefore, God does not have a choice. This is a classic polytheistic scenario, and totally consistent with the Old Testament.

To play Devil's advocate, perhaps God could stop Satan but chooses not to?

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

To play Devil's advocate, perhaps God could stop Satan but chooses not to?

It's funny. God, at times, vents his anger on men to no limit but he has not really interacted in documents with angels. Even Lucifer - he was thrown down by Michael. He seems to have patience with angels more than men. Of course, Epoch doesn't count as valid biblical documentation.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Yeah, he should argue this way:

God is the all powerful God, the ONLY God. Nothing, not one thing, can happen without Her consent. Therefore, Satan acts with Her divine permission, serving Her will only.


Or. God is incompetent, and incompetents can't be omnipotent, and created an equal God that that act with a will of his own independently of any choice God might have in the matter. Therefore, God does not have a choice. This is a classic polytheistic scenario, and totally consistent with the Old Testament.

God uses evil for good. He deesn't create it or design evil plans but when someone else does He will use it. For example Jesus was crucifed as an act of evil but it ended up being the means of salvation for all. He knew it was going to happen and He allowed it.

And yes the angel known to us as Satan does act on his own but only with the permission of God. Of course he doesn't do any of the things we see in the movies. Imagine a court of law. There is a defense lawyer, a prosecutor, and a judge. Satan is the prosecutor. The court cannot perform its function without the prosecutor.

Originally Posted by lakeman

On another note, from a purely historical standpoint, I think you would agree that 2,000 years of continual belief should be given some weight. In all this time, nobody has proven the Bible is NOT inspired, and therefore, by the same standard of material evidence, we should all agree that nobody can say Christians are definitely wrong about inspiration.

Please, Lakeman, you know better than to write this stuff. You can't prove a negative so there is no way to prove that the Bible isn't inspired. By the same token you cannot prove that there is not an angry Unicorn on the backside of the Moon. And believing something for a long time is NOT proof of validity.