Thread: The cycle between Hell , Earth , Heaven and Abode of God

The cycle between Hell , Earth , Heaven and Abode of God


The present devotees and the present spiritual preachers are concentrating on happiness in this life which is heaven on the earth. They are concentrating on avoiding the misery (disturbance-causing factors) which is the hell on the earth. The justice gives temporary happiness and injustice gives temporary misery. Thus, this cycle is between hell, earth and heaven only (Pravrutti) and the abode of God (Nivrutti) is above this cycle.

The self realization is only a sedative drug which leads to the birth of inert stones in the future, provided one stops there only. The happiness in the present life and avoiding disturbance to protect the peace of the life is only a temporary goal. The soul cannot protect itself in the upper world as the savior from the hell. Only God can protect you after this life and not your soul which is yourself only. The technique of peaceful living on this earth is certainly desirable. But it should be only an intermediate step and should not be the final goal of the life.

The path of self realization gives utmost importance to the intermediate step only but is not stressing on the final goal. The comforts during the train journey are certainly important for the candidate who is attending the interview in the next station. The peaceful journey gives mental freshness which is supposed to help the performance of the candidate in the interview. But the comforts in the journey should not be the final goal. He should concentrate on the material concerned to the subject of interview while traveling in the train. He should allot a little time for looking to the comforts in the journey. But he should not spend all the time of journey in looking for the comforts only. He should not sit leisurely or sleep in the train after getting the comforts.

He should concentrate on the material. Similarly after getting the peace by self realization, one should concentrate on God. You cannot do anything in the upper world to avoid the disturbance from the hell. The upper world is strictly meant for enjoying the results only (Bhoga Loka). The present human life is only chance on this earth (Karma Loka). The effort you put on this earth in this human life gives the peace here and protection in the upper world. The effort is limited only to this earth. If you follow Nivrutti directly without the self realization, it gives peace in this life and also protection in the upper world. Instead, you can follow the self realization and get peace in this life and the subsequent Nivrutti followed here will give the protection in the upper world.

Whatever may be the way, the effort is limited to this life on this earth only and therefore this earth is called as Karma Loka. If you limit to self realization only, the peace in this life is certainly achieved. But what about the fruit of protection in the upper world, since no effort for it can be done in the upper world? The present preachers are drowning you in the upper world.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Where is hell?

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Where is hell?

New Jersey.

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Where is hell?

The earth, hell and heaven come under the plane of materialism (Pravrutti) only. The punishment on the earth and the punishment in the hell differ just by the areas present in the same realm of Pravrutti. It is just the difference between a jail in India and a jail in Andaman Islands in the olden days. Therefore, the postponed sin along with the interest can be met with punishment in the hell or in the next birth. It is one and the same. The serious deeds good or bad will yield results in this birth itself (Atyutkataih Papa Punyaiah Ihaiva Phalamashnute...). The place and time have no significance. Only the quality and quantity of the nature (good or bad) of a deed and its subsequent fruit destined by the constitution of God are important. As the postponement increases, the interest also increases. You will receive the principle along with the interest in any online branch of the divine bank existing on this earth or in the upper world.


Actually the deeds are inert actions and do not follow the soul. Only the essence of the deed, which is alive in the form of quality (Guna or Samskara) follows the soul and from the color and intensity of the quality, results are decided by the divine computer called Yama for bad deeds and Indra for good deeds. Kalabhairava is the overall in-charge of supervision in implementing the results (Karanam Guna Samgosya…Gita). Sattvam is white, Rajas is red and Tamas is black. Therefore, the internal intention (Sankalpa) of the mind, which is made of these three qualities, decides good and bad of a deed and not the inert subsequent action. The cycle of deeds and its administration is simplified based on the specific quality and its quantity. This is the simplified picture of the system of deeds, which is followed by the judge in the final enquiry. Ofcourse, the total network of deeds with all the minute details also exists inside the system, which can be referred if necessary (Gahana Karmanogatih…).

Originally Posted by dattaswami

The earth, hell and heaven come under the plane of materialism (Pravrutti) only. The punishment on the earth and the punishment in the hell differ just by the areas present in the same realm of Pravrutti. It is just the difference between a jail in India and a jail in Andaman Islands in the olden days. Therefore, the postponed sin along with the interest can be met with punishment in the hell or in the next birth. It is one and the same. The serious deeds good or bad will yield results in this birth itself (Atyutkataih Papa Punyaiah Ihaiva Phalamashnute...). The place and time have no significance. Only the quality and quantity of the nature (good or bad) of a deed and its subsequent fruit destined by the constitution of God are important. As the postponement increases, the interest also increases. You will receive the principle along with the interest in any online branch of the divine bank existing on this earth or in the upper world.


Actually the deeds are inert actions and do not follow the soul. Only the essence of the deed, which is alive in the form of quality (Guna or Samskara) follows the soul and from the color and intensity of the quality, results are decided by the divine computer called Yama for bad deeds and Indra for good deeds. Kalabhairava is the overall in-charge of supervision in implementing the results (Karanam Guna Samgosya…Gita). Sattvam is white, Rajas is red and Tamas is black. Therefore, the internal intention (Sankalpa) of the mind, which is made of these three qualities, decides good and bad of a deed and not the inert subsequent action. The cycle of deeds and its administration is simplified based on the specific quality and its quantity. This is the simplified picture of the system of deeds, which is followed by the judge in the final enquiry. Ofcourse, the total network of deeds with all the minute details also exists inside the system, which can be referred if necessary (Gahana Karmanogatih…).

Mate Yam is a dev, or deity. Like Hades, he rules over the netherworld and all dead souls. It is Chitragupt that has most of the accounts of human beings and their earthly practices. The decision is very dependent on what form of demi God you worship. If you worship Narayan or Lord Shiva, chances are, the Yamdutts or messengers of Yam, may not be able to apprehend your soul. These are what our scriptures say.

So ideally put - if hell is our world of death - then heaven is? Is it Indra's Swarg Lok? Or Brahma's Brahm Lok? Or Narayan's Vaikunt, this is a probablity but the Gita states that there is no 'heaven' it is simply these places of dwelling where you end up. Likewise, hell may either be Yam Lok or it may not exist.

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Mate Yam is a dev, or deity. Like Hades, he rules over the netherworld and all dead souls. It is Chitragupt that has most of the accounts of human beings and their earthly practices. The decision is very dependent on what form of demi God you worship. If you worship Narayan or Lord Shiva, chances are, the Yamdutts or messengers of Yam, may not be able to apprehend your soul. These are what our scriptures say.

So ideally put - if hell is our world of death - then heaven is? Is it Indra's Swarg Lok? Or Brahma's Brahm Lok? Or Narayan's Vaikunt, this is a probablity but the Gita states that there is no 'heaven' it is simply these places of dwelling where you end up. Likewise, hell may either be Yam Lok or it may not exist.

This universe is infinite. I am unable to show the existence of these super worlds to you. I accept my incapability. But you are also incapable to prove directly the non-existence of these super worlds. Have you taken all over the universe and said, " Here ends the universe. Beyond this point there is no universe. This is the compound wall of the space. Your super world does not exist anywhere’’. Therefore, there is equal chance for the existence and non-existence of the super worlds according to the theory of probability.

Now let us analyse of our cases. Both of us are eating to live. The basic needs are satisfied in the cases of both of us. You have spent extra time also in earning more money, which may give you some problems of health like sugar, B.P etc., due to over enjoying. I have not earned more money and I am healthy due to normal food. None of us will carry the money with us after death. The money given to the children may also be lost in several ways. Therefore, I do not find much difference between us, once the basic needs are satisfied. I am poor because I have spent my extra time in the service of God.

Suppose after my death, you are correct and there are no super worlds. In such case what I have lost? There is no loss for me. But after your death, suppose I am correct and there are super worlds. You have lost every thing and God will not save you. Thus, even on accepting your argument, based on the equal probability, it is better to serve the Lord by sacrificing the extra time and energy for the Lord after earning the basic needs. You must read the theory of probability, which is perfectly a scientific theory.

Originally Posted by dattaswami

This universe is infinite. I am unable to show the existence of these super worlds to you. I accept my incapability. But you are also incapable to prove directly the non-existence of these super worlds. Have you taken all over the universe and said, " Here ends the universe. Beyond this point there is no universe. This is the compound wall of the space. Your super world does not exist anywhere’’. Therefore, there is equal chance for the existence and non-existence of the super worlds according to the theory of probability.

Now let us analyse of our cases. Both of us are eating to live. The basic needs are satisfied in the cases of both of us. You have spent extra time also in earning more money, which may give you some problems of health like sugar, B.P etc., due to over enjoying. I have not earned more money and I am healthy due to normal food. None of us will carry the money with us after death. The money given to the children may also be lost in several ways. Therefore, I do not find much difference between us, once the basic needs are satisfied. I am poor because I have spent my extra time in the service of God.

Suppose after my death, you are correct and there are no super worlds. In such case what I have lost? There is no loss for me. But after your death, suppose I am correct and there are super worlds. You have lost every thing and God will not save you. Thus, even on accepting your argument, based on the equal probability, it is better to serve the Lord by sacrificing the extra time and energy for the Lord after earning the basic needs. You must read the theory of probability, which is perfectly a scientific theory.

I am *not* an athiest. And this discussion is purely one to give and take what you/I know. You should look at it as such too - seriously.

You seem to have many misconceptions about what the Vedic system of belief teaches. In all finality, I do accept my short-comings but I am a practicing Brahmin - and I have been exposed to literature since a very young age.

I have three major problems with what you are doing dattaswami.

1. You think religion is a gamble, if it exists I win, if it doesn't I still win. Life isnt a gamble, it's a choice. Yes, you've made yours, but you're giving an impression to non- Hindus here that our religion scares people into submission, like Christianity. It's hardly the case, ever.

2. We don't believe in God-men. That is perverted. It's stated in the Gita to avoid such God-wannabes. It's precisely this B/S that gave birth to idiotic shit such as the Sai baba nonsense and that B/S Rajinish dude because of whom we have been linked to the stupid hippy culture. Complete bullocks. Men are *not* Gods. Yes, you respect your Guru or teacher, but you've to understand the nature of matter, it is hardly perfect and lives within mortal imperfections. Lord Shiva, the Adi Guru himself demonstrated this when he sat at his son's feet when he found his son to know more - ideally elevating his son to the status of his Guru. For those who don't know, Hinduism holds tremendous respect for teachers or Gurus. They are like your parents and must be respected and adhered to.

3. Misinformed assertions. You quote things like Hanuman (an immortal) being the next Brahma. Are you at the right state of mind? Where is it written? Indestructable Hanuman, who can't even be hurt by a Brahmastra or a Pashupatastra being a Brahma? What is your source? Since Brahma has an age and lifespan, so you are saying that the next Brahma will never change? Or perhaps Narayan himself may have appeared to your Guru telling him that he will kill him or something? Bali being the next Indra is a widespead understanding because of the Vishnu Puran, anything otherwise is a grandmother story.

If it's your Guru, then quit associating his ideas in our culture. You're are not only perverting the literature but also misinforming people. Life isn't a gamble mate, it's a journey. A material failure can never attain complete enlightenment - it's written in the Gita. Those who aren't disciplined in their life can never attain God. You need to balance your existence.

Originally Posted by Desidude666

I am *not* an athiest. And this discussion is purely one to give and take what you/I know. You should look at it as such too - seriously.

You seem to have many misconceptions about what the Vedic system of belief teaches. In all finality, I do accept my short-comings but I am a practicing Brahmin - and I have been exposed to literature since a very young age.

I have three major problems with what you are doing dattaswami.

1. You think religion is a gamble, if it exists I win, if it doesn't I still win. Life isnt a gamble, it's a choice. Yes, you've made yours, but you're giving an impression to non- Hindus here that our religion scares people into submission, like Christianity. It's hardly the case, ever.

2. We don't believe in God-men. That is perverted. It's stated in the Gita to avoid such God-wannabes. It's precisely this B/S that gave birth to idiotic shit such as the Sai baba nonsense and that B/S Rajinish dude because of whom we have been linked to the stupid hippy culture. Complete bullocks. Men are *not* Gods. Yes, you respect your Guru or teacher, but you've to understand the nature of matter, it is hardly perfect and lives within mortal imperfections. Lord Shiva, the Adi Guru himself demonstrated this when he sat at his son's feet when he found his son to know more - ideally elevating his son to the status of his Guru. For those who don't know, Hinduism holds tremendous respect for teachers or Gurus. They are like your parents and must be respected and adhered to.

3. Misinformed assertions. You quote things like Hanuman (an immortal) being the next Brahma. Are you at the right state of mind? Where is it written? Indestructable Hanuman, who can't even be hurt by a Brahmastra or a Pashupatastra being a Brahma? What is your source? Since Brahma has an age and lifespan, so you are saying that the next Brahma will never change? Or perhaps Narayan himself may have appeared to your Guru telling him that he will kill him or something? Bali being the next Indra is a widespead understanding because of the Vishnu Puran, anything otherwise is a grandmother story.

If it's your Guru, then quit associating his ideas in our culture. You're are not only perverting the literature but also misinforming people. Life isn't a gamble mate, it's a journey. A material failure can never attain complete enlightenment - it's written in the Gita. Those who aren't disciplined in their life can never attain God. You need to balance your existence.

There are certain good and learned souls, which are interested in the spiritual path to gain the grace of the God. But the spiritual path is in confusion since several human beings interpret the scripture of God in different ways. Only God has to give the correct version of His own scripture. God has to come in human form in every generation because as soon as God exits, selfish people misinterpret His message constantly. The misinterpretation satisfies the majority of the people, which is incapable of practicing in the right path. For example God decides that 70% is the distinction. When God exits, the majority of the students, which is incapable of getting the distinction like to bring down the percentage so that they can also have the satisfaction of the distinction.

A student who gets 7% wants to have distinction. Now the misinterpretation is given like this. In the number 70 there are two numbers. One is 7 and the other is 0. Since 0 has no value, 70 must mean 7. Therefore, the student getting 7% can get distinction. Such misinterpretation by a mischievous teacher is admired by a large majority of students. Now he is the greatest teacher with large majority of followers! This is the present situation of false preachers misleading the vast majority. The distinction can be neither given by the teacher nor by the students. The board of interview selecting the students of distinction for service has the acknowledge of the distinction for which only there is real fruit.

Hence, God gives the divine fruit only to the real distinction since He is well aware of the marks of distinction, which were prescribed by Him only. Therefore, God had to come again and again and also everywhere simultaneously (especially when there was no electronic communications in the world) to establish the correct interpretation in the entire world. This correct interpretation attracts only the merit students and the majority consisting of incapable students will reject this. God is also not bothered about such majority because even if the truth is established to them, there will be no use in the case of such students. Krishna never preached spiritual knowledge to many people in His life. In His entire life, He chose only one occasion to preach Gita to just Arjuna only.

Mere happy life in a society is not sufficient because such life is not eternal. The life after death should be also analyzed. Mere judicial procedure is not the ultimate of God. The love towards God, the sacrifice for the sake of God, the concept of contemporary human incarnation for the sake of most beloved devotees etc., are points of higher importance than mere limitation to the petty family only. The view is at the best generalized to the service to the society. Society is only a large family of your colleague souls only. God is beyond society. You must transit from the service to family to the service to the society and finally to the service to God. These three are the subsequent steps in ascending order. The foreign religions are mainly confining to the first two steps only and not to the third step. In the name of the third step they are only staying in the second step (social service) only.

The basis for this deficiency is lack of the concept of contemporary human incarnation. They criticize the idol worship of Hinduism. But they are doing the same in another form in their churches and Mosques. The exploitation of the devotees by priests is common to their religions also because the concept of the contemporary human incarnation is completely eradicated from the root in these religions because the selfish priests do not allow this. The same thing happened in the case of Holy Jesus. Hence, Holy Mohammad did not allow this concept for the fear of such horrible jealousy towards the contemporary human incarnation.

In Hinduism also the selfish priests oppose the contemporary human incarnation. However in Hinduism, this concept is at least partially alive since Gita says that God will come again and again (Yada Yada hi…) and that God will come in human form (Manusheem tanumashritam…).

The impartial God comes again and again for every generation (Yada Yada hi…..Gita) but you are not having the chance to meet the human incarnation again since you have no human rebirth. One may get the human rebirth in extreme exceptional situation and you should not depend on that because it involves high risk. The human birth, the urge for salvation and coming in contact with the human incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance increases from left to right in the order. Therefore, simply having the human birth and having the urge by taking orange robe are not sufficient.

Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledge for correct implementation, every thing is waste (Manushyatvam Mumukshatvam, Mahapurasha Samsrayah, Durlabham—Sankara).