Thread: Is God so cruel to allow animal birth to souls?

Is God so cruel to allow animal birth to souls?


God is loving every soul and is helping every soul in this world. He never hates any soul. The punishment in the hell is also to reduce madness of materialism of the soul. Suppose, one son becomes mad, the father will take him to the doctor and admits him in the mental hospital where shock treatments are given. Can you say that the father is angry with the son? Similarly, the hell is for the last sort of trial to transform the soul. The madness is never cured and the son has to be retained in the hospital only forever.



Same is the concept of the permanent hell. These souls cannot be brought into this world because they will bring Chaos in this world, just like the mad son cannot be brought out of the hospital into the society. Some souls are born as birds, animals etc., Here also only the love of God reflects. As a human being the soul was always interested in eating, drinking and sex only. The soul never turned to God. In such case there is no use of the intelligence of the human category, which is meant for analysis of truth. Therefore, the soul is placed in the cycle of animals, which are also happy like the human beings in eating, drinking and sex only. The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo. But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!.

The grass will be as tasty as the sweet dish in the meals today. The soul cannot estimate the happiness of the animal while remaining in the human body. The same happiness is received by the souls in all types of bodies from eating, drinking and sex. What ever he desired, that is given to him by God without any disturbance. In the human life the spiritual knowledge is often disturbing him in achieving the continuous happiness from eating, drinking and sex. Therefore, God favored the soul by such animal-birth and this is not punishing the soul.

This means God is helping even His enemies. A father will never harm his issue even if it opposes him. He wants always the happiness of the child continuously. The devoted souls want to be with God and derive the divine bliss constantly. God provides opportunity for such devotees also to make them happy constantly by guiding them in achieving the real and highest devotion to Him. Therefore, you can see the same love of God on a devoted soul staying in His abode as an angel and also on a he-buffalo enjoying with the she-buffalo in a mud pond. Both are continuously happy in their own fields! At last God provided what ever the child desired. Of course He tried to convert the soul in the he-buffalo into an angel. When He failed in all His efforts, He has sanctioned the firm desire of the soul. Therefore, God helped all the souls, whether those loved Him or not.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Originally Posted by dattaswami

Is God so cruel to allow animal birth to souls?


God is loving every soul and is helping every soul in this world. He never hates any soul. The punishment in the hell is also to reduce madness of materialism of the soul. Suppose, one son becomes mad, the father will take him to the doctor and admits him in the mental hospital where shock treatments are given. Can you say that the father is angry with the son? Similarly, the hell is for the last sort of trial to transform the soul. The madness is never cured and the son has to be retained in the hospital only forever.



Same is the concept of the permanent hell. These souls cannot be brought into this world because they will bring Chaos in this world, just like the mad son cannot be brought out of the hospital into the society. Some souls are born as birds, animals etc., Here also only the love of God reflects. As a human being the soul was always interested in eating, drinking and sex only. The soul never turned to God. In such case there is no use of the intelligence of the human category, which is meant for analysis of truth. Therefore, the soul is placed in the cycle of animals, which are also happy like the human beings in eating, drinking and sex only. The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo. But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!.

The grass will be as tasty as the sweet dish in the meals today. The soul cannot estimate the happiness of the animal while remaining in the human body. The same happiness is received by the souls in all types of bodies from eating, drinking and sex. What ever he desired, that is given to him by God without any disturbance. In the human life the spiritual knowledge is often disturbing him in achieving the continuous happiness from eating, drinking and sex. Therefore, God favored the soul by such animal-birth and this is not punishing the soul.

This means God is helping even His enemies. A father will never harm his issue even if it opposes him. He wants always the happiness of the child continuously. The devoted souls want to be with God and derive the divine bliss constantly. God provides opportunity for such devotees also to make them happy constantly by guiding them in achieving the real and highest devotion to Him. Therefore, you can see the same love of God on a devoted soul staying in His abode as an angel and also on a he-buffalo enjoying with the she-buffalo in a mud pond. Both are continuously happy in their own fields! At last God provided what ever the child desired. Of course He tried to convert the soul in the he-buffalo into an angel. When He failed in all His efforts, He has sanctioned the firm desire of the soul. Therefore, God helped all the souls, whether those loved Him or not.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

What would I eat if I came back as a Gay Horse?

I think as a Hindu you know that your karma decides what you are born as, right? That is the problem with your posts, they seem to be copy-paste articles, do *not* address concerns and questions of others and are very very vague to a non-Hindu.

Originally Posted by Babylon

What would I eat if I came back as a Gay Horse?

Not people, I assure you that.

Explaining that to a rabbit who is usually devoured by the wolf will earn you rabbit anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a wolf who is usully hunted and estroyed by humans will earn you wolf anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a human... understand yet?

Originally Posted by Babylon

What would I eat if I came back as a Gay Horse?

Haaayyy...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Originally Posted by Oberdan

Explaining that to a rabbit who is usually devoured by the wolf will earn you rabbit anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a wolf who is usully hunted and estroyed by humans will earn you wolf anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a human... understand yet?

You see, everything has a purpose. The rabbit maintains the wood and the plants, the wolf maintains the rabbit population and acts as a form of control over the resource allocation and population limit - a human being acts as another form of control, over the entire system though I hardly think this is fair, this is the way of the world - balanced sustenance.

To animals, being a human being is heaven - because they do not need to devour each other - the other way around, for us, hell would mean to live each day surviving and facing death up close - who wants to leave home everyday just to survive and dogde that certain death! The idea here is personality - what our friend believes is that a soul does not have one - if so, how do you tell it apart?! It does make sense if one states that the same soul is one found in a rabbit - but then, how does a rabbit does 'good' deeds to become a human again - the other way around. Or rather, does it lose it's personality then?! That's the gaffe.

Besides, in a system where there is a presence of a tremendous sense of balance (ecosystem and the food chain) - recycling of souls, if it exists, isn't something that is so hard to believe. It's simply a hypothesis for consideration anyway - like so many things out there. But institutionalization of the spiritual world is hard to believe - if someone states that this may occur at random, I'd find it easier to comprehend since in Hinduism, complete negative/positive does not exist, keeping aside the prime divinity of course.

Originally Posted by Babylon

Haaayyy...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Np..............

Originally Posted by Desidude666

I think as a Hindu you know that your karma decides what you are born as, right? That is the problem with your posts, they seem to be copy-paste articles, do *not* address concerns and questions of others and are very very vague to a non-Hindu.

In Islam and Christianity there is no rebirth for the soul. The soul gets human birth only once. After this human birth the soul will either go to the Lord or will go to the hell permanently. Only one Lord created this entire universe. Therefore the policy should be the same for all the souls in this universe. There is only one Lord. All the souls are equal to Him. Can you deny this? If you don’t agree with this theory, you can follow your own faith. But your faith is not important. The truth is important. What ever is true, that alone happens and not as per your faith. If you agree with this policy I can correlate all the religions.

If you can correlate all the religions in a better way, I will also agree with you. If you are not caring for the correlation and follow your faith only, there is nothing for me to preach you. My correlation of all the religions is like this : In Gita two paths are explained. In the first path one goes to Brahmaloka without returning back. In the other path one returns back to this earth and falls in the cycle of births and deaths which is the wheel of Samsara. In all the religions there are only two paths. Reaching Brahmaloka is reaching the Lord. Falling in the cycle animals and births is going to the hell permanently. The soul which, has fallen in this hell will never get the human rebirth in which there is facility of trying to reach Brahmaloka. Not getting such a spiritual human rebirth is the absence of rebirth.

The soul which, goes to Brahmaloka will never get the rebirth of animals and birds and in such sense this soul also has no rebirth. But one point is to be understood carefully. The birth of animal, bird, worm etc., does not mean the actual animal or bird or worm etc., There are several human beings who live like animals, birds and worms. Such human births are also the births of animals, birds, worms etc., We are seeing such human beings in majority on this earth. They are immersed in the worldly bonds like money, children etc., They cannot cut their blind love to these worldly bonds. Even if they put some spiritual effort, it is incomplete because of the attachment with these bonds.

Such souls when they go to the upper worlds are also involved in such bonds in the upper worlds also. They can never attain Brahmaloka by preaching any amount of divine knowledge to them. But if they are not preached they will blame the Lord during the enquiry posing that they might have attained Brahmaloka, had they received the divine knowledge. The Lord preaches them also only to save himself from such blame and not to save them. Therefore if you are having all the facilities and also interest in the spiritual line this is the best birth for you and this is the only chance for you. If you waste this human birth you are falling into the births of animals etc., You are not given such chance again.

Islam and Christianity say that the soul has to wait for the final enquiry which, is to be done at the end of this world. This human body (Pindanda) is stated as the world (Brahmanda). The human body is a mini world containing the same components. Therefore the death of this human body can be treated as the end of this world from the point of the soul. You can also treat the day as birth and night as death. Veda says that the deep sleep is equal to death (Naviduhu Sati Sampatsyama Iti). Gita also says the same (Prabhavantyaharagame). Therefore the feelings (Samskaras) of previous births mean only the feelings of yesterday.

If you are on the spiritual line and if you are making sincere spiritual effort to cut these worldly bonds and to strengthen the bond with the Lord, your lifetime can be extended by the Lord. You will cross the day of your death by the grace of the Lord, which is a rebirth. Such extension of life will help you really in the spiritual effort if you are given a human rebirth there will be lot of gap since you have to stay in the womb of your mother and you have to cross the childhood. Such long gap will give a serious break in your spiritual effort.

From this point of view also there is no human rebirth. If one cannot attain the Brahmaloka in this human birth itself by getting the extension of life, can such a soul get Brahmaloka in the next human birth after such a long gap? Gita also says that the soul is taking birth and death constantly during the day and night (Athachainam Nitya Jatam). Like this all the three religions can be correlated and only one theory is evolved.

Originally Posted by Oberdan

Explaining that to a rabbit who is usually devoured by the wolf will earn you rabbit anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a wolf who is usully hunted and estroyed by humans will earn you wolf anger at the inherant flaws.

Explaining that to a human... understand yet?

) Doing good things is different and enjoying the results of good deeds is different. One can prepare sweets continuously but one cannot eat sweets continuously. The result of good deed is happiness. Continuous happiness will bore anybody like eating sweets continuously. Without good purpose Lord never created anything. The whole creation of the Lord originally was very good because anything was created for a purpose and for the happiness of all the living beings only. The bad was created by the Lord only to give some breaks now and then in continuous happiness.



The Lord also comes down in human form bored by the continuous bliss. Veda says that He enjoys both the truth and false (Satcha Tyatcha Abhavat). Gita also says that the Lord created Sattvam (Good qualities) and also Rajas and Tamas (Bad Qualities). Whether the bad is created in the beginning or it is created after some time, that point does not matter. You can say that God has created the bad in the beginning assuming the boring in the continuous pleasure, or you can say that God has created bad when the people are bored. There is no difference between these two statements because God is beyond time.



God created good and bad qualities as said in Gita (Yechaiva Sattvikaa Bhavaah Rajasaah Taamasaascha Ye). The Lord is beyond good and bad as said in Gita (Gunaateethah Sa Utchyate). He is the creator of day and night, summer and winter etc; but the human being is not beyond qualities because He is made of the very qualities, good or bad. The Lord when comes in human form or remains as Eeswara, is like a person who is wearing white shirt or black shirt but the soul is the very black or white shirt as said in Gita (Naanyam Gunebhyah Kartaaram). Therefore the Lord is untouched by the good or bad qualities. But the individual human being is like the cotton shirt, which is colored and it is very difficult to remove the color from the cotton threads. To kill an innocent beautiful deer is the greatest sin and the birth of the tiger itself is the result of the soul’s bad deeds in the past.



Just like the color and the cotton thread cannot be separated the cruel nature of the soul in the tiger is inherent and inseparable. Therefore it looks for you as if it is a natural thing when it kills the deer. You cannot say that a carnivorous person who kills and eats the human beings is justified because you are affected. You can understand the pain of the deer when you are born as a deer. The deer cannot argue like a human being. But because of that it should not have a different justice. One person may be unable to employ an advocate but the judge will do the justice. A tiger will be doing such sins continuously which will increase its cruelty. As the cruelty increases, the cruel deeds become more and more. The quality leads to action and the action again results in quality. This is the vicious circle in which the soul is caught, that is the end of the story and there is no liberation for such soul.