Thread: Grace the great christian copout

Grace is the great christian copout
to be precise
the gift of gods grace is given freely by god and is not deterimned by anythings a human does

there a christain salvation is soley through the grace of god
as such a human canot force gods grace by doing act or works -these acts or works wil not force gods grace
gods grace is out of humans hands
thus it follows that if nothing a christian does or not do will get him his salvation or get him gods grace
then a christain could kill a million jews in the holycost and that want stop god from giving him salvation through grace if god so chooeses
a hitler pinochet saddam and dictator or christain can be a buthcher kill millions indians negros jews muslim etc and that want stop god from giving him salvation
what a beautiful religion where you can do excatly what you want and it want have any bearing on you going to heaven
FUCKING WONDERFULL

Originally Posted by jane699

Grace is the great christian copout
to be precise
the gift of gods grace is given freely by god and is not deterimned by anythings a human does

there a christain salvation is soley through the grace of god
as such a human canot force gods grace by doing act or works -these acts or works wil not force gods grace
gods grace is out of humans hands
thus it follows that if nothing a christian does or not do will get him his salvation or get him gods grace
then a christain could kill a million jews in the holycost and that want stop god from giving him salvation through grace if god so chooeses
a hitler pinochet saddam and dictator or christain can be a buthcher kill millions indians negros jews muslim etc and that want stop god from giving him salvation
what a beautiful religion where you can do excatly what you want and it want have any bearing on you going to heaven
FUCKING WONDERFULL

If you believe that you can do whatever you want and what you want is to continue your life as a butcher then you are not a christian, are you?

If you believe that you can do whatever you want and what you want is to follow christ and show gods love to the world then you are a christian.

Originally Posted by jane699

Grace is the great christian copout
to be precise
the gift of gods grace is given freely by god and is not deterimned by anythings a human does

there a christain salvation is soley through the grace of god
as such a human canot force gods grace by doing act or works -these acts or works wil not force gods grace
gods grace is out of humans hands
thus it follows that if nothing a christian does or not do will get him his salvation or get him gods grace
then a christain could kill a million jews in the holycost and that want stop god from giving him salvation through grace if god so chooeses
a hitler pinochet saddam and dictator or christain can be a buthcher kill millions indians negros jews muslim etc and that want stop god from giving him salvation
what a beautiful religion where you can do excatly what you want and it want have any bearing on you going to heaven
FUCKING WONDERFULL

God loves you. We love you. No matter what you think, what you believe, we will always be there for you, by your side, we are all brothers and sisters.......forever. Don't ever forget that.

If you believe that you can do whatever you want and what you want is to continue your life as a butcher then you are not a christian, are you?

hey u said nothing u do can get you gods grace or salvation so a chriotain can do what ever he wants because what ever he does will not affect his salavation SIMPLE

Originally Posted by jane699

hey u said nothing u do can get you gods grace or salvation so a chriotain can do what ever he wants because what ever he does will not affect his salavation SIMPLE

A Christian will not want to do whatever evil is in him. People who desire to fulfill all their evil have not been converted. They have never been saved to begin with and have nothing to lose or not lose.

The person who has been saved cannot lose their salvation by any work. But they will still experience consequences in life and it will still effect their other rewards in heaven.

We can all do whatever we want to do and we will all answer for it one way or another.

They have never been saved to begin with and have nothing to lose or not lose.

hey only god can save people through his grace-and u say nothing you do can make god save or not save yiou
so evil people could still be saved if god so chooses-because his grace is not dependent on human acyts or works-THAT IS WHAT YOU SAY so stop going around in circles

Originally Posted by jane699

hey only god can save people through his grace-and u say nothing you do can make god save or not save yiou
so evil people could still be saved if god so chooses-because his grace is not dependent on human acyts or works-THAT IS WHAT YOU SAY so stop going around in circles

You are right. It is not dependent on human acts or works. God's grace comes to us through our faith. Without faith then there will be no salvation.

Without the road no car will drive by, without the pipe no water will flow.

You are right. It is not dependent on human acts or works. God's grace comes to us through our faith. Without faith then there will be no salvation.

now why did it take so long for u to agree with me

Puntuatioon would be nice every once in while Jane. And capitalising isnt so bad either.

and this is why yoiur do-what-you-fucking-want-religion is dangerous

http:///www.counterpunch.com/jones05182007.html

the Pope declared that "the nations of Latin America and the Caribbean" were "silently longing" to receive Christ as their savior. He was "the unknown God whom their ancestors were seeking, without realizing it ..." Colonization by Spain and Portugal was not a conquest, but rather an "adoption" of the Indians through baptism, making their cultures "fruitful" and "purifying" them. Accordingly, "the proclamation of Jesus and of his Gospel did not at any point involve an alienation of the pre-Columbian cultures, nor was it the imposition of a foreign culture." So there we have it. The invasion and conquest of the Americas, which caused the deaths of upwards of 90 percent of the indigenous population, was something the Indians had been pining for all along. They weren't just "asking for it," as sexist cranks depict women as complicit in their own rapes. They were actually "longing" for it, since salvation and "purification" came with it.