Thread: Islam

Hello all, nice to meet all of you.

Firstly, I would like to tell you all that I have been doing alot of research on Islam and have recently purchased and read a Quran along with interviewing a few of my Muslim friends. Here is some of what I have found:

Islam, in and of itself, is not a religion of peace. All of my Muslim friends admit it, they simply say that they, along with many other Muslims, "choose not to listen to the violent practices in the Quran". The Quran, seperated into two books, consists of the Non-violent book of Mecca and the extremely violent Book of Medina (the newer book), much like the Old and New Testaments. Take a look at a few readings:

"Strike off their [infidel's] heads. Strike off their finger-tips! … because they defied God and his Apostle [Muhammad]." (Sura 8:12-13)

"Make war on them [infidels] until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Sura 2:193)

"Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them." (Sura 4:89)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you." (Sura 9:123)

"When the sacred months [Ramadan] are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them; besiege them; and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent [convert to Islam] and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way." (Sura 9:5)

Now some retaliate, stating that "THE BIBLE IS VIOLENT TOO!" The Old Testament is violent in its punishments against non-believers, but Jesus, in the Bible's New Testament, died so that that would no longer occur. THis is reversed in the Quran, where the newer book (Book of Medina) actually induces violence.

Lastly, a scary prayer that my friend Yousef wrote down that his family and church frequently recite:

American laws will protect us.

Democrats and Leftist will support us.

The UNO will legitimize us.

CAIR and MAB will incubate us.

The ACLU will support us.

Western Universities will educate us.

Mosques in the West will shelter us.

OPEC will finance us.

Moderate Muslims will fertilize us.

Hollywood will love us.

Koffi Annan will publish the politically correct sympathetic statements for Jihadists.

We will use your (West) welfare system.

We will take advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab America in the back as we did on 9/11 and 7/7, the Islamic way. We will say one thing on the camera (Islam is the religion of peace) and teach another thing (Quran 8:12 Terrorize and behead the infidels wherever you find them) to our children at home.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from their earliest childhood. We will take over Europe first and then the U.S. will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the U.S.

Who are we? We are the “sleeper cells” next door.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor – this is the Islamic way. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine, just imagine the news in the world: “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We say to the West: Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carriers and high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your (Western) higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bombers against you.

The West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We Muslims will manufacture our military force by natural means — by producing more babies. It is cheaper that way. You infidels cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion strong and we will double our population again.

Using the Western legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.

Moderate Muslims will say there is no link between Islam and terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible. Moderate Muslims all over the world will inadvertently incubate Jihadists by defending Islam as a religion of peace, by telling this to their children and the world.

There will be more 9/11s in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

We will recite the Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will videotape those and send them to infidels to watch. The infidels will surrender — ISLAM means surrender.

Islam is the fastest growing religion among convicts in prison all over the word. 30% of French prison inmates are already converted to Islam.

We will use your (Western) own values of kindness against you. You (the West) are destined to lose.

My point? Islam in and of itself is an evil religion. I'm not saying let's kill them all, I'm saying that we should hold our cultural and religious ground against an incoming Islamic Extremist threat. Europe is falling daily to them. We CANNOT simply keep giving into pressures from them (Allowing someone to use a QUran instead of a Bible in the courthouse, giving some prisoner Ostrich Meat in the prison on Ramadan while our soldiers have to suffer with MRE's, continuing to deny that Islam itself is a threat.) All of my Mulsim friends besides one hate America and would support Sharia law organizations. So, wake up, America. We can't suffer Europe's fate, and give into them as they have done. After all, we all remember what happened last time the world tried to appease. :whistling:

Islam, in and of itself, is not a religion of peace.

No shit? There is no objective "religion of peace", so it's safe to assume this.

My point? Islam in and of itself is an evil religion.

Aren't they all?

Allowing someone to use a QUran instead of a Bible in the courthouse,

Perfectly legitimate. To say this is a bad thing is retarded.

continuing to deny that Islam itself is a threat

It's not a threat in itself, even if it is evil. No, it needs people willing to carry it out.

All of my Mulsim friends besides one hate America and would support Sharia law organizations.

You need to start hanging with a different crowd.


Your thread is based largely off of personal experience, this is retarded.

We will recite the Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will videotape those and send them to infidels to watch. The infidels will surrender — ISLAM means surrender.

By the way, I doubt a Muslim would say that last part.

I think you're just lying.

I told you, I have read the Quran. I know what it says. I have researched this to a decent extent, what more facts do you need I can get them for you.

All religions are not evil, and Christianity is a religion of peace. Jesus says to "love thy neighbor as you love yourself" and that other religions should be tolerated. No Christians have adopted the "convert or die" that the Muslims have.

You need to start hanging with a different crowd.

What? That is your response? That's real mature. Regardless of what they have said or the point I'm trying to make, that is your response...

Perfectly legitimate. To say this is a bad thing is retarded.

Not when you are talking about a segment of people who are using this to try and get their laws and their influence into our society, which historically has been very Christian. Whether that is for the better or good is debatable, but it cannot be denied. It is our culture.

Originally Posted by Feslin

By the way, I doubt a Muslim would say that last part.

I think you're just lying.

This definitely isn't a prayer muslims recite.

I told you, I have read the Quran. I know what it says.

Congratz. I've read the Bible, I know what it says.

All religions are not evil,

Hmm, maybe I was out of line saying that.

All mainstream religions are evil. Satanism isn't. Buddhism can certainly have evil effects (Communism).

No Christians have adopted the "convert or die" that the Muslims have.

Rethink that.

and Christianity is a religion of peace

Strange how it can be twisted into a religion that takes a region of the world and cuts it's population in half, ain't it?

What? That is your response? That's real mature. Regardless of what they have said or the point I'm trying to make, that is your response...

Yeah, that's my response. Mainly because you're full of shit.

Not when you are talking about a segment of people who are using this to try and get their laws and their influence into our society, which historically has been very Christian. Whether that is for the better or good is debatable, but it cannot be denied. It is our culture.

Christians do the exact same thing. No double standards please.

Originally Posted by Forager

I told you, I have read the Quran. I know what it says. I have researched this to a decent extent, what more facts do you need I can get them for you.

All religions are not evil, and Christianity is a religion of peace. Jesus says to "love thy neighbor as you love yourself" and that other religions should be tolerated. No Christians have adopted the "convert or die" that the Muslims have.



What? That is your response? That's real mature. Regardless of what they have said or the point I'm trying to make, that is your response...



Not when you are talking about a segment of people who are using this to try and get their laws and their influence into our society, which historically has been very Christian. Whether that is for the better or good is debatable, but it cannot be denied. It is our culture.

Wrong. Christians have probably done this (highlighted in bold) much more than Muslims, by far.

Forager:Islam in & of itself is an evil religion.
Feslin: Aren't they all?
Then Feslin doubts that a muslim would say that last part? Why?

Originally Posted by Migi e!

Forager:Islam in & of itself is an evil religion.
Feslin: Aren't they all?
Then Feslin doubts that a muslim would say that last part? Why?

Think about it.

Why would a Muslim say: "Islam means surrender"? That's totally retarded, since that's taking it entirely out of context. No, whoever wrote that piece of shit wanted to throw that in there to make Islam looks worse. It means "surrender oneself to God" in context.

Originally Posted by Feslin

Think about it.

Why would a Muslim say: "Islam means surrender"? That's totally retarded, since that's taking it entirely out of context. No, whoever wrote that piece of shit wanted to throw that in there to make Islam looks worse. It means "surrender oneself to God" in context.

The one about the prayer before the beheadings, right?