Thread: Killing and death ...

Since I have been coming here (for over a year now) I hear a number of people talking tough about stuff like carrying guns, attacking and invading countries and killing people. Especially the 'lets kick ass, and kill the Muslims' brigade.

I wonder how many of these people have any experience of what it is like to have someone you care for die? How many of you have walked in the rain behind the coffin of your dad on a gun carriage when you were still in primary school? Have stood by the grave side while the twenty one gun salute is fired, knowing that inside that box is the person you like most in the world.

How many have sat in a darkened hospital room for hours holding the dead hand of an old lady whom you had known all your life, and who was your best friend?

And how many have seen a teenage school mate turn into an old man with no hair and a crumpled face? Have seen him literally crumble into this 'thing' which could no longer speak coherently, which had to wear nappies, and could only communicate with you by holding on to your hand, and which (mercifully) died in a few months.

Death isn't fun, it's horrible! Has anyone seen the light go out in another human being's eyes?

Look, it's great to play computer games where you waste the baddies, and nuke whole civilisations, but these are games, stuff kids play. Do any of those who talk tough know what killing someone means? Can they foresee the anger, and pain in their loved ones, and can they live with it?

I know loads of people think 'kicking ass' and 'wasting' people is macho, but it's not. A real man protects the weak, not bullies them. Someone with real balls nurtures life, not destroys it. It takes no courage whatsoever to pull a trigger, and it is the most cowardly act on earth if the person you are shooting is not similarly armed.

OK, this had to be said, and I've said it. Do your worst! :whistling:

maybe you are misunderstanding the tough talk.
the US was attacked on 911 and many people died, for no apparent reason except the spread of Islam because some are convinced that Western democracy is evil.
the tough talk is in defense of life, in defense of freedom, in defense of an ideology that doesn't fit in the modern West. Islamic ideology is being forced upon the world in violent methods, it continues daily, so how do you expect to have unnecessary death with that on the planet?
Islam must stop the progressive aggressive violence. period. until that happens the free world will defend itself. resulting in deaths.

and yes, I have witnessed death many times.

Tough talk comes from people with simple minds only capable of simple ideologies.

Originally Posted by sectionOne

maybe you are misunderstanding the tough talk.
the US was attacked on 911 and many people died, for no apparent reason except the spread of Islam because some are convinced that Western democracy is evil.
the tough talk is in defense of life, in defense of freedom, in defense of an ideology that doesn't fit in the modern West. Islamic ideology is being forced upon the world in violent methods, it continues daily, so how do you expect to have unnecessary death with that on the planet?
Islam must stop the progressive aggressive violence. period. until that happens the free world will defend itself. resulting in deaths.

and yes, I have witnessed death many times.

I take your point, and I was not simply referring to the conflict between Islamic fundamentalists and the west.

I was referring to the whole ethos which devolves about imposing one's will by force, the gun culture, and meaningless tough talk. And, the gun culture apart, this is not limited to America. Mindless idiots the world over (including at my school) swagger about the place talking tough, but are often pussies when you fight back. Ahmadinejad is a good example of what I am criticising.

"The gun culture", of which I am a card carrying member, for the most part, is self protection. I don't force anything, but I'm not going to allow anybody else to force me either.

Originally Posted by Migi e!

"The gun culture", of which I am a card carrying member, for the most part, is self protection. I don't force anything, but I'm not going to allow anybody else to force me either.

Thank you for not being a victim Migie!

I must say, that even as a liberal I am against most forms of gun control. I strongly believe in enforcing the current laws and keeping guns out of the hands of criminal, but if you are a law abiding citizen then you are entitled to own a firearm.

Originally Posted by Sparta

Thank you for not being a victim Migie!

Yea, well, remember I am just an crotchety old southern woman that actually believes that I have the right to protect myself.

And as a paranoid liberal who strongly believes in the Constitution, I'm also against most forms of gun control...but I also want most of you gun freaks to fall down a well.

Originally Posted by Shadowman

And as a paranoid liberal who strongly believes in the Constitution, I'm also against most forms of gun control...but I also want most of you gun freaks to fall down a well.

You're doin that thang again. :hissy: