Why Christianity conerns me. - Page 2

sid2112 · 04-23-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeman

I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you meant if they were forgiven at the last moment why should the be allowed to go to heaven.

Actually, they can. If, at the very last moment, an evil person truly repented and asked forgiveness, they would receive it. It's not as easy as it appears to be. You can't pay lip service to God and you can't do it to yourself.

freecell · 04-23-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

What I am saying is that, since we do not know definitivley as to whether there is an after life and that for the time being we are here, I am concerned that a person will think he has the right to be an asshole to everyone since he beleives hell go to Heaven anyways.

Well that happens but it is rare. Most harden their hearts and never hear God in their last moments or don�t get the chance. But you also need to remember that Satan keeps people blind. He is also a light and he will deceive them even on their deathbed. Then you have to ask yourself why are they being the way they are. Is it because they don�t have peace? Hey I know Christians that act that way that have never matured. That�s why God said you couldn�t judge if a person is saved by just looking at them. But trust me he handles Christians more harshly than non-believers because we know better. For instance: The young man that killed all those Virginia Tec students. I hope he broke down and cried at the last moment and asked Jesus into his heart but more than likely he didn�t. I do pray his victims were saved and just look at the hero�s that stood out and protected the ones that made it out alive. What type of person does this? A person who cares for others. That�s what I call a strong person not the one who can win in a fight.

Neue Horizonte · 04-23-2007, 08:29 PM

So Unreal Tournament was lying to me when it said I was God-like? Basterds.

freecell · 04-23-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeman

Well put Freecell.

The really weird thing here is that the whole time I was reading your post I was so glad you were saying some of the same things I just said. Then I looked up and the message I had posted was not there! Go figure. Who would want or be able to remove one of my messages?

For anyone interested in further internet study the technical term for the change of heart Freecell is speaking of is called sanctification.

Only a Mod can remove or edit a post. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. But thank you for the compliment I am not very good with words sometimes.

Zarathustra · 04-23-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freecell

Well that happens but it is rare. Most harden their hearts and never hear God in their last moments or don�t get the chance. But you also need to remember that Satan keeps people blind. He is also a light and he will deceive them even on their deathbed. Then you have to ask yourself why are they being the way they are. Is it because they don�t have peace? Hey I know Christians that act that way that have never matured. That�s why God said you couldn�t judge if a person is saved by just looking at them. But trust me he handles Christians more harshly than non-believers because we know better. For instance: The young man that killed all those Virginia Tec students. I hope he broke down and cried at the last moment and asked Jesus into his heart but more than likely he didn�t. I do pray his victims were saved and just look at the hero�s that stood out and protected the ones that made it out alive. What type of person does this? A person who cares for others. That�s what I call a strong person not the one who can win in a fight.

This is a good post freecell, although I might not agree, still a good post. If there is a heaven, Liviu Lebrescu more than deserves to be in it.

freecell · 04-24-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

This is a good post freecell, although I might not agree, still a good post. If there is a heaven, Liviu Lebrescu more than deserves to be in it.

Yes, who would know one of the reasons he survived the holocaust back then that one day he would give his life for others. And some say we have no purpose in life.

High_Voltage_123 · 04-24-2007, 05:25 AM

If there is a Heaven I'm sure he'll find his place there

Zarathustra · 04-24-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freecell

Yes, who would know one of the reasons he survived the holocaust back then that one day he would give his life for others. And some say we have no purpose in life.

We make our purpose. It is not given to us, because if it was that would negate free will that Christians seem to be proponents of.

freecell · 04-25-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

We make our purpose. It is not given to us, because if it was that would negate free will that Christians seem to be proponents of.

No you don�t understand Him. Free-will is choosing Him or not. You have a choice either pick up the cross and walk with Him or go your own way without Him. I think everyone can change the outcome of his or her life. He has a purpose for everyone if they choose Him.
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14). In the above scriptures, Jesus Christ is providing us with both advice and warning.
The bad road in this sinful world is smooth and wide, easy to drive on. The view can seem nice, the vehicle can be big and comfortable, there are always many people around to join in the ride, but it's destination is a dead end. It has no future, only a present.
The good road is sometimes narrow and very bumpy. It can sometimes be a lonely ride, difficult to follow, but at journey's end there is life, eternal life.

Oftencold · 08-08-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

The reason Christian dogma concerns me, or should i say, one of the big reasons, is that it seems to give evil people a free pass. To me, it seems to say that no matter how cruel you are to people, if you follow Jesus Christ and beleive he was our saviour, then it does not matter how mean you are. Does that seem right? Not to me it doesnt.

Your interpretation of mainstream Christianity is flawed. If one is a Christian, one should should not wish to hurt without cause, and any cause should be compelling.

The nature of a Christian should be such that they strive to avoid doing evil.

I should mention that compelling causes to hurt turn up in unexpected places. An example I'm found of is splinting someone's broken bone on the beach and toting them back to town.

(I live in bear country, leaving the injured individual there while I nip back to town for help would be a kindly act only to the bruins.)

I have it on good authority that the patient would find this process of splinting and transport unpleasant.

Cruelty is forbidden to the Christian, though we often fail to live up to our own standards. (the Standard is Perfection, so I'm sure you can see the problem.)

As to the free pass, are you aware that we are taught to think of anger at another human being as a sin comparable to murder? (Under the Writ, I'm no better that a Death Row inmate.)

This is the mainstream version, not a fringe element.

In the matter of whether or not a person is a Christian, well, we are taught that a "tree is known by its fruit." So, if love of God and man (the Greatest Commandments,) are the fruit we should be bearing, it does not look good for people who are routinely cruel and hateful.

On the Spiritual level, one would have to believe that God is not terribly bright in order for the ruse of one merely claiming salvation without taking the Doctrine to heart to work.

Since He got the whole sub-atomic bit worked out I choose to forgo the "God is not too clever" school of thought.

On the Mundane level, liars, charlatans, and cheats will attache themselves to anything that is accepted by large numbers of people. This is true for Christianity, political movements, sports, commerce and art.

In each case, it is vitally important not to mistake the parasites for the host, no?