Creation VS Evolution

davideyoung · 05-28-2006, 11:13 PM

There are reputible experienced scientists on both sides of the issue. Both have convincing scientific evidence, and both lack any scientific proof. Until the mid 20th century, creation was taught in all public schools. Then it flopped and evolution became the standard. I say both theories and the science behind them should be taught equally, leaving specific religions out of it, allowing students to decide what the want to believe.

What do you think?

Orthodox Marxist · 05-29-2006, 01:13 PM

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There are reputible experienced scientists on both sides of the issue. Both have convincing scientific evidence, and both lack any scientific proof. Until the mid 20th century, creation was taught in all public schools. Then it flopped and evolution became the standard. I say both theories and the science behind them should be taught equally, leaving specific religions out of it, allowing students to decide what the want to believe.

What do you think?

Creationism is absurd with no basis in empirical reasoning.

7 Hills · 05-29-2006, 01:42 PM

No Matter how absurd it may seem people still beleive in it. I think that Young has a point, We could perhaps have a school that taught every religion and they would choose which one suited them most.

Inkslinger · 05-29-2006, 04:00 PM

As much as human beings think they are the supreme being of the universe, we're just a molecular speck of idiocy compared to the big picture... ~Inky

7 Hills · 05-29-2006, 04:02 PM

Thats why we turn to religion. It makes us feel comfortable in our place. it gives us hope that there is a greater good or something that will show us mercy.

davideyoung · 05-29-2006, 09:29 PM

Actully, a great deal of non-religious scientists have found that evolution is scientifically obsurd. Thus the look at what has now become known as "Intelligent Design", from the point of view of minds that are not interested in religious implications, but only scientific study to learn the history of our world.

You who say "Creationism" has no scientific base, I ask you to prove it. It is as unprovable as evolution, which has countless scientific flaws.

But, since no scientific argument has been made, merely banter against religious views (whatever they may be), there is nothing to react to with evidence for or contrary. Can any of you point out flaws or lacks of flaws in scientific research involving either prominent study?

7 Hills · 05-29-2006, 11:44 PM

Thats true its almost degenerated into saying my god is better than yours.

Pook · 05-30-2006, 03:54 AM

Teach the kids all views, and let them decide what they wish to believe in. This should not be a pass/fail thing here, anyway.
Purrs,
Pookie

Orthodox Marxist · 05-30-2006, 10:12 AM

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No Matter how absurd it may seem people still beleive in it. I think that Young has a point, We could perhaps have a school that taught every religion and they would choose which one suited them most.

If I had children I would not want them learning religion in school its creative garbage at best.

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You who say "Creationism" has no scientific base, I ask you to prove it. It is as unprovable as evolution,

Sigh read Darwin I'm in no mood to go through this on another forum.

AtlanticBlue99 · 05-30-2006, 11:39 AM

communism goes hand in hand with aetheism. takin religion out of the question, all universal laws break down moments before the big bang and this is where Shroeder's mathematical theories are best proven to favor an intelligent design. Spontaneous creation, as we know, does not exist and cannot exist. Therefore, the universe was not an infinitely small point of infinitely large mass without reason and design by a creator.

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Originally Posted by Israeli Physicist Gerald Schroeder

Each of the six days in Schroeder's Genesis actually takes a different length of earth time. The duration D, in earth days, of each cosmic day t is calculated from the formula D = (Ao/L)exp(-Lt), where Ao = 4x1012 (the ratio of the frequencies of the cosmic microwave background at quark confinement compared to now) and L = 0.693 (natural log of 2). More simply, cosmic day one is 8 billion earth years long and you divide by two to get the duration of each succeeding cosmic day.

Cosmic day one starts 15.75 billion earth years ago and covers the creation of the universe, the "breaking free" of light as electrons bind to atomic nuclei, and the beginning of galaxy formation. This is described in Gen. 1:1-5 as the creation followed by light separating from the darkness.

Cosmic day two starts 7.75 billion earth years ago and lasts four billion earth years. During this period the stars and galaxies are born. This corresponds to Gen. 1:6-8, the formation of the heavenly firmament.

Cosmic day three starts 3.75 billion earth years ago. During two billion earth years, the earth cools, water appears, and the first life forms appear. In Gen. 1:9-13, vegetation first appears during the third day.

Cosmic day four starts 1.75 billion earth years ago and lasts a billion earth years. The earth's atmosphere becomes transparent and photosynthesis produces an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Schroeder says that this corresponds to Gen. 1:14-19 when "the Sun, Moon, and stars become visible in the heavens" (67).

Cosmic day five starts 750 million earth years ago and lasts 500 million earth years. During this period, the first multicellular animals appear and the oceans swarm with life. Gen. 1:20-23 says the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures and "birds fly above the earth" (94).

Cosmic day six starts 250 million years ago and ends at the time of Adam. During this period we have a massive extinction in which 90 percent of life is destroyed and then repopulated with humanoids and humans. This, Schroeder says, corresponds to what is described in Gen. 1:24-31.

Technically, Schroeder's formula gives the present as the end of the sixth day. However, it could just as well have ended a few thousand years ago and not affect the rest of the calculation where things are rounded off at hundreds of millions of years. Schroeder argues that after the six cosmic days of creation, Genesis switches its focus over to humanity and starts measuring time in human terms. The rest of the Bible concerns itself with the 6,000 earth years since Adam and Eve, estimated from the Bible in Bishop Ussher fashion.