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Old 08-16-2008, 04:46 PM   #1
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Default Were the Manson Killings a Government Black Op?

I'd never thought about this until I listened to this radio program.

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_op
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture#Sixties_and_seventies_countercultur e

It doesn't sound like such a far-fetched theory when we consider all the other stuff the US government has pulled off.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183

People were figuring out that the govenment was lying to them about why they were in Vietnam. The counter-culture was thinking independently. The government was losing it's ability to form the people's political thinking. Whether it was a black op or not, the government used it to discredit the movement.

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html
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Q: When the Indochina war ended in 1975 you wrote that our nation's "official" opinion makers would engage in distortion of the lessons to be drawn from the war so that the same basic foreign policy goals could be pursued after the war. You felt then that in order to keep the real meaning of the war from penetrating the general public they faced two major tasks: First, they would have to disguise the fact that the war "was basically an American attack on South Vietnam -- a war of annihilation that spilled over to the rest of Indochina". And secondly, they would have to obscure the fact that the military effort in Vietnam "was restrained by a mass movement of protest and resistance here at home which engaged in effective direct action outside the bounds of propriety long before established spokesmen proclaimed themselves to be its leaders". Where do we stand now on these two issues--seven years later?
Chomsky: As far as the opinion makers are concerned, they have been doing exactly what it was obvious they would do. Every book that comes out, every article that comes out, talks about how -- while it may have been a "mistake" or an "unwise effort" -- the United States was defending South Vietnam from North Vietnamese aggression. And they portray those who opposed the war as apologists for North Vietnam. That's standard to say.
The purpose is obvious: to obscure the fact that the United States did attack South Vietnam and the major war was fought against South Vietnam. The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups. And that fact simply does not exist in official American history. There Is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam. That's gone. Of course, It Is a part of real history. But it's not a part of official history.
And most of us who were opposed to the war, especially in the early 60's -- the war we were opposed to was the war on South Vietnam which destroyed South Vietnam's rural society. The South was devastated. But now anyone who opposed this atrocity is regarded as having defended North Vietnam. And that's part of the effort to present the war as if it were a war between South Vietnam and North Vietnam with the United States helping the South. Of course it's fabrication. But it's "official truth" now.
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http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
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By "imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people.
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North American and European corporations have acquired control of more than three-fourths of the known mineral resources of Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
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Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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A lot of people were finding out what was really going on. It makes sense that the government would try to discredit the movement.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:33 PM   #2
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Mr. Sip, you stated; "I'd never thought about this until....
I listened to this radio program."

With due respect you still do not sound like you are thinking-just repeating. The thought process requires one to critically analyze. did you do that or do you simply repeat what you heard?
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:41 PM   #3
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TomSip you referred to;


http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_op
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture#Sixties_and_seventies_countercultur e

and then stated after listening to the above;

"It doesn't sound like such a far-fetched theory when we consider all the other stuff the US government has pulled off. "

You quote unsubstantiated, undocumented, baseless suppositions. That makes them by their very definition and essence menaingless. The fact that you agree with them merely manifests your subjective bias which predisposes you to believing such unsubsantiated remarks since as you state above you have this bias or preconceived belief that the US has been involved in similiar behaviour in the past.

For me you are a classic case of someone seeing Jesus in a shit stain. You see it because you want to see it.


To me you seem to be reacting no different then any other primate when faced with a perceived threat (evil). You call it sharing theories, I call it making simeon noises designed to show anxiety and warn others to stay or you will bite them (accuse them of disagreeing because they are part of the conspiracy).

Hey man I don't want your banana. I have enough fleas on me to eat to my heart's content.

What I need are some substantiated facts not someone saying something sounds good.

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Old 08-18-2008, 08:42 PM   #4
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I say; ask someone who isn't passionate about these things but is knowledgeable enough to analyze this; without objection.

You ask a Loch Ness guru if Nessie is real based on photo of a serpent-esque line in the water... and you will get a flat yes.

Ask someone who analyzes photographs / video "what" it is and you will get a wave.

Its always best to find your sources to these things from people who could give a crap one way or the other. I've actually read most of this evidence before and its primarily from passionate followers who have a set agenda to proove the government is behind it all, and guess what, that is all they are going to see.


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Old 08-18-2008, 08:57 PM   #5
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!!

I was recently interviewed by a Fox News reporter who was writing a story based on information he was given by "informed sources. He told me that he knew his sources were at best misinformed, or, at worst, lying. In response to my asking him why he would write a story based on lies, and why he wants my comments he said "I need your comments because they give the story balance"...
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:01 AM   #6
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Why don't you write Charles Manson and ask him? I still have his address if you would like it.Let me know and I will pm it to you.
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:12 AM   #7
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Charlie never killed anyone. Amazing how many think he is a murderer.

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Why don't you write Charles Manson and ask him? I still have his address if you would like it.Let me know and I will pm it to you.

Silly how would he do that? Charlie Manson is a Zionist Mossad agent. They lie. Its what they do.
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Charlie never killed anyone. Amazing how many think he is a murderer.
Yah they make that same mistake about God all the time as well. Beats me how anyone could come to such a conclusion.
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Charlie never killed anyone. Amazing how many think he is a murderer.
Neither did Hitler
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