Why The Communists Adore Obama

Burning Giraffe · 07-18-2008, 04:09 AM

New Times/New Opportunities: From the Communist Party of the United States of America.

I don't expect the Democrats to read this article, but everyone else should take a look. It's very long, because it defines the Communists Party's response to Barack Obama, which can only be characterized as giddiness. They view Obama is a galvanizing force for Communist principles and the discussion of Marxism at the national level.

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Which begs the question, why do I attach so much importance to defeating the Republicans by an overwhelming margin?

It is the outcome that gives the broader movement, not to mention the new president and progressive Democrats, political leverage in the post-election period. Historical experience in 1936 and 1964 offers evidence of this fact.

It is the outcome that shifts the balance of class and social forces in this country decisively in favor of the people’s movement and leaves the right wing reeling and in disarray.

It is the outcome that sends a message to the new president and Congress that quick and decisive action is expected on the outstanding issues roiling the American people.

It is the outcome that nudges the next administration to move away from preemption and unilateralism and toward diplomacy, neighborliness and peaceful resolutions of outstanding hot spots like the Iraq war and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

It is the outcome that compels our government to aggressively address the mounting worldwide problems of global warming, nuclear proliferation, poverty and endemic diseases.

It is the outcome that elbows the White House and Congress to place our relations with China on a mutually beneficial path.

It is the outcome that prods policy makers to construct an altogether new peaceful relationship with Cuba accenting trade, investment and cultural exchange.

In short, a landslide victory is the outcome that lays the ground for the labor-led people’s movement to transition to a new stage of struggle in which the transnational corporations are recognized as the main roadblock to peace, equality, economic security and democracy.

Kyryahn · 07-18-2008, 04:32 AM

And I'm pretty sure the KKK is strongly supporting McCain, and have speeches on how it's the 1st step towards an all white America without immigration etc, so what? You're not responsible for others' interpretation of you, of your message, of your actions.

Burning Giraffe · 07-18-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyryahn

And I'm pretty sure the KKK is strongly supporting McCain, and have speeches on how it's the 1st step towards an all white America without immigration etc, so what? You're not responsible for others' interpretation of you, of your message, of your actions.

Yes, the KKK has apparently endorsed McCain. (of course, the video is BS and the KKK has not issued any official endorsement, but like good little liberals, let's ignore this fact and move on).

However, endorsements aren't the issue here. What I'm talking about and drawing attention to are the reasons. The Communist Party supports Obama because Obama promotes the fundamental philosophies of the Communist Party and an Obama Administration would elevate and empower the Communist Party as a more legitimate force in American Politics. Furthermore, the political tactics are the same. The Communists and Democrats vilify the same people for the same reasons, support the same path to government regulation and oversight (Democracy) and overlook the same obstacles (The US Constitution). Reasons are the substance behind endorsements and are the only things that are worth discussion.

Inkslinger · 07-18-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

Yes, the KKK has apparently endorsed McCain. (of course, the video is BS and the KKK has not issued any official endorsement, but like good little liberals, let's ignore this fact and move on).

However, endorsements aren't the issue here. What I'm talking about and drawing attention to are the reasons. The Communist Party supports Obama because Obama promotes the fundamental philosophies of the Communist Party and an Obama Administration would elevate and empower the Communist Party as a more legitimate force in American Politics. Furthermore, the political tactics are the same. The Communists and Democrats vilify the same people for the same reasons, support the same path to government regulation and oversight (Democracy) and overlook the same obstacles (The US Constitution). Reasons are the substance behind endorsements and are the only things that are worth discussion.

So what? Communism certainly isn't a threat today, no more than it was a threat in the 40's and 50s. Just a bunch of Ooga Booga the gullible right still clings to.
You guys are really having a tough time trying to get shit to stick to Obama, arent ya? Amusing...

Libre · 07-18-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

So what? Communism certainly isn't a threat today, no more than it was a threat in the 40's and 50s. Just a bunch of Ooga Booga the gullible right still clings to.

That's completely wrong. By definition, socialism is a step on the way to communism. Since half our our budget now goes to socialism where virtually none of it did in the 40's and 50's to say it's no more of a threat now is simply a completely ignorant statement. We are much closer to communism today. THAT IS A FACT.

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You guys are really having a tough time trying to get shit to stick to Obama, arent ya? Amusing...

Obama's teflon veneer is starting to wear thin and expose the hollow shell below. Just give it time.

Kyryahn · 07-18-2008, 07:00 AM

It's always funny how most Americans are completely ignorant about socialism and communism. They got nothing to see with each other. Communism is about putting in common wealth and redistributing it equally. You're a bee enslaved to the hive and totally submitted to the queen.

Socialism is about social justice, meaning giving everyone the same opportunities and same treatment (no prejudice, no unfair discrimination, everyone's equal before the Law etc). In a socialist country, it doesn't matter if your parents are poor, criminals or drug addicts, you should still have roughly the same opportunities in life as the guy next door with millionaire parents. But if you're lazy or achieve nothing, society won't be there to ensure you have the same luxuries as everyone else, there's no concept of everyone deserves the same things (as it exists in communism), just that everyone deserves the same opportunities, regardless of family, background, life hazards... So in socialist countries, you'll often find completely free education at all levels, free healthcare (because it's hard to get back on your feet, study seriously, find a job etc if your health doesn't allow it) and social programs meant to allow people who suffered from bad luck (your employer got bankrupt, you suffered from an accident, the branch you chose to study for is now out of opportunities and you need to orientate again your career...) a new opportunity to succeed and be a productive member of society (free public transports when you have a job interview, for example).

Some people think social justice is as legitimate a role of the government as the army or the police (socialists), some people think it's not (libertarians for exemple... "your parents are poor so you're fucked? too bad, suck it up"). And most countries today are socialist simply because social justice is moral and right, AND economically more efficient (do you want to be shown again how the french healthcare system while being faster and more efficient is also less costly to both the government and the people? It's also better for the economy to help people get back on their feet to become productive again, instead of letting them in the gutter).

I fail to see what it has in common with communism. Most socialist countries today have a completely free market, huge disparities in incomes, total civil liberties, restrictive unemployment policies (meaning no to parasitic behaviors)...

Davocrat · 07-18-2008, 07:10 AM

Another sensationalized "Threadline" from our own Walter Winchell.

Based on what I've read by the resident libertarian purist here, I'm not seeing the big problem. How much worse would it be if the Libertarian Party adored Obama?

Since this IS America, the Communist Party is just as valid as the Constitutionalist Party or the Green Party.

Libre · 07-18-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyryahn

It's always funny how most Americans are completely ignorant about socialism and communism. They got nothing to see with each other. Communism is about putting in common wealth and redistributing it equally. You're a bee enslaved to the hive and totally submitted to the queen.

Socialism is about social justice, meaning giving everyone the same opportunities and same treatment (no prejudice, no unfair discrimination, everyone's equal before the Law etc). In a socialist country, it doesn't matter if your parents are poor, criminals or drug addicts, you should still have roughly the same opportunities in life as the guy next door with millionaire parents. But if you're lazy or achieve nothing, society won't be there to ensure you have the same luxuries as everyone else, there's no concept of everyone deserves the same things (as it exists in communism), just that everyone deserves the same opportunities, regardless of family, background, life hazards... So in socialist countries, you'll often find completely free education at all levels, free healthcare (because it's hard to get back on your feet, study seriously, find a job etc if your health doesn't allow it) and social programs meant to allow people who suffered from bad luck (your employer got bankrupt, you suffered from an accident, the branch you chose to study for is now out of opportunities and you need to orientate again your career...) a new opportunity to succeed and be a productive member of society (free public transports when you have a job interview, for example).

Some people think social justice is as legitimate a role of the government as the army or the police (socialists), some people think it's not (libertarians for exemple... "your parents are poor so you're fucked? too bad, suck it up"). And most countries today are socialist simply because social justice is moral and right, AND economically more efficient (do you want to be shown again how the french healthcare system while being faster and more efficient is also less costly to both the government and the people? It's also better for the economy to help people get back on their feet to become productive again, instead of letting them in the gutter).

I fail to see what it has in common with communism. Most socialist countries today have a completely free market, huge disparities in incomes, total civil liberties, restrictive unemployment policies (meaning no to parasitic behaviors)...

Great post except for the fact it's completely wrong. Socialism, BY DEFINITION, is a precursor to communism.

Oh, and you missed one other slightly important fact, socialism doesn't lead to social justice. Instead, it has the opposite effect. It's an oppressive vs an empowering force. Funny how you didn't once mention how socialism is paid for via government force. Funny how the ultranationalistic French, who won't even let women who wear head scarves become citizens because they "aren't French enough, still have the balls to tell the world about their brand of social justice.

When France has to foot its fare share of the cost of keeping oceans lanes safe for the 80% of consumer goods which are shipped by transatlantic freight (among other military costs that the America taxpayer has been forced to endure with our politicians ignoring our Constitution and forcing us to play world police) then the French people might have an accurate picture of how socialism really works. This may come sooner than people think with our current economic situation. Socialism will be the first thing to go in countries like France.

Hey, maybe if France actually taught free-market benefits you wouldn't sound so brainwashed?

French fail to teach joys of free market

By the way, how is France's budget looking?

anonnymous · 07-18-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Libre

Great post except for the fact it's completely wrong. Socialism, BY DEFINITION, is a precursor to communism.

Oh, and you missed one other slightly important fact, socialism doesn't lead to social justice. Instead, it has the opposite effect. It's an oppressive vs an empowering force. Funny how you didn't once mention how socialism is paid for via government force. Funny how the ultranationalistic French, who won't even let women who wear head scarves become citizens because they "aren't French enough, still have the balls to tell the world about their brand of social justice.

When France has to foot its fare share of the cost of keeping oceans lanes safe for the 80% of consumer goods which are shipped by transatlantic freight (among other military costs that the America taxpayer has been forced to endure with our politicians ignoring our Constitution and forcing us to play world police) then the French people might have an accurate picture of how socialism really works. This may come sooner than people think with our current economic situation. Socialism will be the first thing to go in countries like France.

Hey, maybe if France actually taught free-market benefits you wouldn't sound so brainwashed?

French fail to teach joys of free market

By the way, how is France's budget looking?

ouch!!!

uncommonman · 07-18-2008, 09:27 AM

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Quinn's First Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite effect as its stated intent.

I find this more and more true everyday. I am not so sure that it is "liberalism" per se but it seems to be the case for those who say they are acting in the interest and embrace of liberalism.

Saying that "Communists adore Obama" is not a little unlike saying that "Communists adore Karl Marx." Though I had once found Obama's passionate speeches to be refreshing from the usual mumbled garbage of politicians, the more I listen to him, the more I come to the same conclusion. He wishes that the USA become a Communist society.

His goal is not for it to remain Communist, just long enough for the "oppressed" to gain power over their "oppressors." At that point he would like to see us return to a democratic republic. Guess what?...(See Quinn's First Law).