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Can you explain why Islam followers dislike Christians and other religions so much, they wish them dead? Why the Islamic extremests feel that killing those who disagree with them is OK? How can such a violent religion be good for anyone?

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makki

Who told you that Islam followers dislike Christians and other religions ? Before you say anything about any religion why don't you first read some staff about this religion that you are speaking about ?

Dear friend , if you read history you will find it very clearly said (even by european historists) that Islamic invadors (we name them openers) are the most kind and faithful openers in history , they didn't kill women or children , they didn't torture prisoners (like what is being done in abu guraib and all the other prisons) and the didn't at all threaten anybody to islam. Can you tell me why Christians and Jewish people are now living in Islamic countries since very long ago ? why didn't Muslims kill them ? Them and their fathers and grandfathers lived in Muslim countries with all their rights and they were even defended by Muslim armies.

But I can understand that you are talking about hostility towards Crusaders (not Christians). Yes my friend , wouldn't you hate (not even dislike) the people who are killing your friends and may be your families ? wouldn't you hate those who are occupying and stealing your country ?

I don't know if anyone likes what happened in Iraq Abu Guraib , Al mahmoudiah (raping a child and burning her with her family) , Haditha ... and sooo many other hidden facts , even you my friend should hate those people. Now if Muslims are who did that to your people would you hate them or not ?

And by the way , what you see of those disgusting actions by American (or more accurately Crusaders) is much less than what is really happening on the ground.

No one real Muslim thinks that killing people who disagree with him is OK , but all of them (Muslims) think that defending themselves and their families and their states is a must and killing those who are attacking them is very much ok.

Anyway chat to you later , but after you watch the video (if you are interested in hearing what is in this invitation)

Thank you very much

Invayne

Absolutely. Glad I'm not the only one.

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Terri321

The first link to windows media player did not show anything, it froze on a page full of colors. The second two links want me to download.

Do you have anything else that just opens on windows media player or real player? I’m leery of downloads like the one in the last two links. I never know what I’m getting into.


Thanks
Terri321

makki

Mr Terri321, the first link will just open on real player, but the problem is that it needs very fast connection. Anyway since you tried and it opened on the media player but it froze (as you said) then you can be sure it is a video , so you can safely download it (by right clicking on the link and then save as..) and then watch it without freezing.

For the rest of the links I understand that you don't trust such links , but you can scan them, after downloading them, with antivirus.

I posted 50+ links in my original post for cases like this , but no problem you can still download the video from those links.

Thank you

PoliticalHotwire

Why is it that Islamic followers kidnap Americans and kill them on videotape, chanting "Allah" the whole time... threatening them with death if they do not convert to Islam... randomly kill other people for "Allah" (and this has happened alot over the last few years), yet that's not a big deal? The soldiers who killed that family weren't doing it in the name of "Christianity" or "religion" or the "United States", they did it because their sick, twisted individuals and we are punishing those guys and they'll probably be sentenced to life in prison or death.

Why does Islam always make it out to be about religion? The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. had nothing to do with Islam or any other religion. Your Islam is the root cause of wars all over the world, maybe you should realize every else isn't the problem.

You'll never get sympathy from the rest of the world until you start showing respect for other religions, and people. Until Islamic followers stand up and say "the extremests are wrong", then you'll get no support from me. Americans, and other nations, will continue to generalize your entire religion as "terrorists" so long as your brothers continue to kill innocent people in the name of "Allah".

makki

Those poor American you are talking about who were kidnapped and killed by Mujahideen in Iraq should better be named "Crusaders" or "Invadors". After correcting their name I think the reason of killing them is obvious , isn't?

And they didn't threaten them to enter Islam, actually as I told you Muslims are not allowed to threaten anyone to Islam. They may invite and only invite , and people can make up their minds freely. Maybe you are talking about people who were kidnapped in Palestine , even those weren't threatened to convert to Islam because we are not allowed as I told before, but after they converted no one can kill them , I think that's why they did that trick and then claimed that muslims threatened them.
I didn't say that those soldiers who raped the child and burnt her with her family , I didn't say that they did it in the name of Christianity. Actually in the Bible there is a say by Jesus that if someone hit you on your right cheek give him the other one. So in Christianity even war is not allowed and I know that. That's why I separated Crusaders from Christians , see?
Iraqi Christians are not even touched by Muslims in Iraq even now , but on the other hand American soldiers (they may be Jewish or christians or even ignorant muslims or without religion) those CRUSADERS who are working under the Crusader flag and tribute that Bush declared, those are the targets of Mujahideen , I think this point should have become clear.

Saying that those who did the crime did it because they are sick or stupid is a stupid attempt to defend your SICK army. I don't think that insane and sick people are allowed to enter the army , and eventhough if we accepted every execuse to clean the dirty face of your Army then we shouldn't fight it at all , Only fools believe their invadors' execuses for not to fight them.

And you said that they will be senteced for life, I don't think so , and I even don't think that is enough. Those who killed innocents should get punished the same way , Do you agree with that or not ?

What you said about that Islam is the source of all wars is either a big LIE or an ignorant reply. Can you tell me , What does Islam have to do with the First and Second world wars? Thank God no one Islamic state was involved in that wars . I think this is enough to answer you.

But in addition, Bush himself said (at the beginning of the war) that it is a Crusader Tribute. He said it very clearly and you can check it on the web. So war in Afganistan and Iraq has everything to do with religion , and war against Terrorism is a nickname of war agains Islam.

We are not asking for sympathy my friend. We think that our religion is the right one and we are inviting others to study it and know about it , where is the asking for sympathy is that ? In addition we respect other religions and as I told you before Christians and Jewish people are living as neighbours to Muslims in Islamic states , and they have their churches and all their rights. Isn't that enough clue about the respect to other religions ? Also no one is asking support from you my friend nor from anyone , it's an invitation not more than that , you can accept it or not , it's your decision and your way of living , in this life and in the next one.

Americans are who killing innocents in the name of Democracy and Christianity , and again whatever arrives at the media is nothing compared to what is really being committed by your poor soldiers.

Please , read my words carefully before you reply (if you are really interested in the answers to your concerns and questions), this will save me time repeating things I have already sayed very clearly.

Cheers

PoliticalHotwire

You're fun to talk with, I'll give you that. You present your case very well, though we of course disagree. I'm not the most tactful, nor most educated here (by far), though I probably have similar views as the 'average' American.

I'll tell you that every religion feels theirs is right, I'm sure you agree with that. I'll also tell you that soldiers didn't join the military to kill Muslims. Soldiers join the military to support their families, further their education, and protect our Nation. Very few people in the United States support the war in Iraq (though I did), nevertheless it is a soldiers duty to do as ordered, whether they're in Iraq or remain at home.

A soldier doesn't 'choose' to go to Iraq, nor do they 'choose' to fight. They're ordered, and if they refuse they're declared deserters and usually imprisoned. You're not killing crusaders sir, you're killing men with families who love them and wish they were home.

M.3Antar

Everyone have the right to express his opinion in the way he feels right and he should do, and since your view is somehow normal and without any agressive act, you are welcomed.
May God praise everybody.

makki

OK , you say that you have similar views as the 'average' American , and I know that more than half the Americans now don't support your president in his war against Islam (in the name of war against terrorism) , although they really don't know too much about this war , and maybe if they knew what is really happening those more that 50% will become more than 80% or so who will be against this war. So are you with this war or against it ?

No I don't agree with this sentence. Actually it might be true for some people , but you can't generalise it. There are too many people who follow certain religion and they have too many questions about their beliefs because they can't accept it. Take for example the French revolution, French people were christians weren't they ? and even though they came against the church and refused so many religious orders , and that was the first step of Europ into industrial development, because the church before this revolution used to give very strange beliefs and people couldn't cope with it, and the church's beliefs at that time came against science , and I think that was one of the most important factors in eliciting this French revolution.

So what I am trying to say is that French people were following a certain religion, but they wasn't absolutely sure about it , and they did the revolution which was against the church in the first place because they couldn't cope with the beliefs that are against the simplest scientifical facts. And so many of those Christians and their sons and grandsons now don't even belief in God, i.e. they are not Christians.

OK , what difference this words make ? Whether they joined the army for education or for money or for defending their nation or for killing Muslims , or whatever the case, what does that mean to people who were killed and who were raped and who were burnt and who lost their families and for those who became refugee , and ......

If someone hit you on your face will your reaction be different according to whether he hit you for money or because he hates you?

What is important is that there are some dirty army committing all kinds of crimes against innocent people in Iraq, and those Crusaders should be punished just like the way they are committing their crimes, and it doesn't make difference if they are committing those crimes because they need money or because they just hate those people. Do you agree with that or not ? and why ?

Yes I told you that before that more than 50% of your people are against this war . But I don't understand why some support it ? For example could you give me the reasons that make you support such a global crime?

Huh? do you mean that your soldiers are robots ? Don't they have minds to think? let's say that your president ordered them to kill you and your friends will you say that they should kill me because they are ordered and they can't refuse?

What a sick logic!!

They are ordered to kill people and destroy houses over the people in it and torture prisoners, and even they are orderd to take photographs with dead tortured prisoners and to smile while taking pictures with prisoners in very bad situations.

You didn't give me your opinion of Abu Guraib yet. will you?

And let's say that they are ordered to do that , then it is a disaster for you because in this case you are being governed by a dirty gang of killers and rapists and sick and psychotic people (and that's what I think in fact). You and your people are veeeery unfortunate and you are just blind and now I can see that very clearly according to your way of thinking.

It is really a disaster and this is one of the points that is being enlightened in this video material that I provided. Have you watched it yet by the way?

Ohhhh my heart, you broke my heart by those words.

Man, are you living in the dreamland or where exactly ? are you really serious in what you said in this last sentece ?

Those soldiers (Crusaders) who are killing and torturing you and raping you and stealing your country and destroying your civilization, those people are lovely people, they have families and children, maybe they even have sense of humour and like to live. Ok , so what ?

Let me tell you my friend that on earth there are some people who have families and friends who love and have everything just like me and you, but they have bad character as well, and they steal and kill and rape. Sometimes some kind of regulation collect them together to make a gang. Now those gangs (there are too many in the US by the way) those gangs are committing all kinds of crimes, how do you think that victims should treat such people ?

If a burgler broke into your house and threatened you with a gun, and you could defend yourself by killing him or hurting him, will you defend yourself or you first ask him " hey execuse me, I'd like to ask you a question before I defend myself, do you have a family or friends who you love?"

Imaging that I am asking a thief such a question, do you know what will happen ? the thief might die of laughter my friend . I can't explain more because your question is really just against logic.


Please, read my replies carefully and answer my questions in them , then this chat will become beneficial for me and you and all the guys in this board.