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Old 01-28-2008, 09:03 PM   #11
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McCain is a Moderate. No insult intended, but I think that you associate all members of the GOP with Bush, and therofore a Repulican vote is a vote for Bush. Because Bush share the same ideals as most republicans, all repulicans are bad. That's pretty close minded.

Most republicans in fact DO back Bush on key issues. Just as most Dems would fall in line with Senator Harry Reid on most issues. This does not mean that a vote for Obama is a vote for Harry Reid.
Umm, neither Bush nor McCain embody traditional Republican values at all.

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Old 01-28-2008, 09:28 PM   #12
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Umm, neither Bush nor McCain embody traditional Republican values at all.
I don't agree with you, or people like you who think there is this cookie cutter republican. What you do is nit pick. Americans differ on all sorts of things and fewer of them actually bother to educate themselves on the minute differences.

Republican voters are predominately middle class to upper class, older, conservative, suburban or rural, religious, are pro-life on abortion issues, disagree with government spending and are in favour of flat or regressive (i.e. independent of a person's ability to pay) taxes.

Obviously alot of Republicans like Bush (elected him twice)

This being said, they are politicians and want to get elected so they compromise so that they appeal to a broader spectrum. They do however tote the party line mostly.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:34 PM   #13
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Obviously alot of Republicans like Bush (elected him twice)

This being said, they are politicians and want to get elected so they compromise so that they appeal to a broader spectrum. They do however tote the party line mostly.
They elected Bush because there was no acceptable alternative at the ballot box.

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Does anyone like him also? If he is running i think i will vote for him. I also think i will vote for him in prelim because he has not taken any bribes and money from special intrest groups.
LOL, you have got to be kidding me. John McCain has an organization called the Reform Institute (RI) that he founded. It is an open borders advocacy group. One of the primary contributers to his Reform Institute is George Soros.

Another of the primary movers at RI is Juan Hernandez. hernandez is also the Hispanic Outreach Director of the McCain campaign. Hernandez is also a supporter of Aztlan. He feel that the southwest part of the United States rightfully belongs to Mexico and should be returned to them. He has openly said that even second and third generation Mexicans that have gained American citizenship should still think Mexico first! So he wants them to lie about loyalty to America to gain citezenship and influence he vote.

Read more about this here:
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He is the guy that insulted American workers by telling us that American wouldn't pick lettuce even it they were paid fifty dollars per hour.
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John McCain abandoned the POWs and MIAs left in Vietnam even though there was credible evidence thet they still existed.
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John McCain supported the abridgment of our First Amendment rights with his McCain-Feingold bill which is a travesty in reforming campaign finance. It was designed to protect the candidates from free speech not to reform finances.
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John McCain and his Gang of 14 were a disaster for any type of progress. It was not about anything other than creating a coalition that could make or break any bill in the Senate. These fourteen Senators granted themselves more power than our Constitution gives them by fiat out political manipulation. While it is not illegal, it is unethical.

John McCain was one of the original Keating Five that was supported by Charles Keating. He was responsible for a bank failure that cost the taxpayers millions.
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So no, I cannot stand John McCain. He is a lie to us all. he is nothing like the man he tries to portray himself to be. He is the only Republican running that I refuse to vote for.

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4 words simplifies everything about McCan't.

He is a twat




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I liked McCain a lot in 2000, when he was more honest and straightforward. Now I think he's more concerned with getting elected than doing what he thinks is right. However, I'll still vote for him over any other candidate because I agree with a lot of his positions and I'm still holding out hope that he'll snap back into his old self if he gets in the oval office.

You mean the old self that made him part of the Keating Five gang that led to rules changes that created the S&L Crisis that cost taxpayers hundreds of billions?

Just think, those same corrupt bankers want the American taxpayer to bail them out of the sub-prime lending fiasco they caused, too.

Or perhaps you mean the John McCain that transferred billions of dollars from the hands of the smoking poor to the god damned trial attorneys with his "tobacco" settlement?

How about the John McCain that "reformed" campaign financing in such a way that ripped the First Amendment to shreds?

There's the John McCain that refused to vote to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, which means we'll soon be facing a stealth tax hike that none of today's politicians will do anything to prevent.

No. You must mean the Pro-Don't-Call-It-Amnesty-It-Makes-It-Sound-So-Bad-For-Me McCain, who's done everything except send out engraved invitations to all of Mexico to come on over and join the fiesta, utterly disregarding the damage those people have done to his own state.

McCain SUCKS.

Only people who should be voting for Democrats could like him.

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I'm kinda enjoying watching the pubs get all in a dither about John McCain, but they do have an awfully sparse field there. I see McCain as the only one I could actually respect, much the way I felt about Barry Goldwater. He shares an important trait with Goldwater in his ability to change his mind as circumstances change. One of the least attractive traits about republicans IMO is their common inability to change their thinking as circumstances change.

That said, I don't think McCain should be the republican nominee because he's too old. His calendar age isn't so much an issue as the hard miles he's got. I'm a bit older than McCain, and I've been learning in the last couple of years how many parts quit working the way they should--and I haven't been tortured. There's statistical evidence out there that people who've suffered major physical trauma--like torture--are more liable to early Alzheimer's than others. So my objection to his age has nothing to do with his ideology.

Ideologically, McCain is FAR too conservative for my tastes, and I'd not vote for him on that account either. Nevertheless, he's the best the republicans have.
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