More Affirmative Action discrimination shit!!

Common Sense Craig · 01-11-2008, 02:25 PM

Can you believe this shit?! Well, of course you can.
*I received this e-mail from the company Loral, (a company I had submitted my resume to.):

As a matter of policy as well as applicable law, we are required to keep records and perform certain analyses of our applicant pool by race, ethnicity and gender.

Since such analyses are only possible if we know the profile of our applicants, we are using this means to ask you to take a minute to complete this survey.

The information that you volunteer to provide does not at all affect your prospect for employment and is treated confidentially and maintained separate from your application.

And here are the survey questions:

EEO/EOC Survey

Optional EEO/EOC Information: This information is used for Affirmative Action Reporting purposes only. Submission of information is voluntary.
Please fill in the appropriate response:

A. Ethnicity/Race: (Please check only one)

American Indian or Alaskan Native: (Not Hispanic or Latino) A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Asian: (Not Hispanic or Latino) A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Black or African American: (Not Hispanic or Latino) A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.

Hispanic or Latino: A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: (Not Hispanic or Latino) A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.

White: (Not Hispanic or Latino) A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

Two or More Races: (Not Hispanic or Latino) All persons who identify with more than one of the above five races.
I prefer not to provide this information.
B. Gender:
Female Male
I prefer not to provide this information.

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**So, since this information is not supposed to affect my prospect for employment, if I just lie about what ethnicity/race I am and what gender I am, will THAT affect my employment in this company?

Affirmative Action: isn't this shit illegal by now?!!

Djinn · 01-11-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

... So, since this information is not supposed to affect my prospect for employment, if I just lie about what ethnicity/race I am and what gender I am, will THAT affect my employment in this company?

It has nothing to do with your employment. It's a mechanism to document that the company isn't engaging in discriminatory hiring practices. The company is required to collect this data and present it when audited by the EEOC. If you lie about your race, there is no penalty that I'm aware of, as long as the company did not have a hand in the deception.

freckles · 01-11-2008, 02:51 PM

I was talking about this earlier. I always leave it blank, but I am concerned that not filling it out may knock me completely out since they can't determine if I fit a quota.

Common Sense Craig · 01-11-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Djinn

It has nothing to do with your employment. It's a mechanism to document that the company isn't engaging in discriminatory hiring practices. The company is required to collect this data and present it when audited by the EEOC. If you lie about your race, there is no penalty that I'm aware of, as long as the company did not have a hand in the deception.

I understand that, but it is still discriminatory in its execution and still makes me very suspicious. Quotas ARE alive and well here in California.

Common Sense Craig · 01-11-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freckles

I was talking about this earlier. I always leave it blank, but I am concerned that not filling it out may knock me completely out since they can't determine if I fit a quota.

I always leave it blank, too, and I am NOT going to answer their questions at all. And yes, it may put me down further in the "do we hire this person" stack of apps.

Djinn · 01-11-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

I understand that, but it is still discriminatory in its execution and still makes me very suspicious. Quotas ARE alive and well here in California.

You say that it is "discriminatory in its exclusion." Who, exactly, is being excluded?

william the wierd · 01-11-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

I always leave it blank, too, and I am NOT going to answer their questions at all. And yes, it may put me down further in the "do we hire this person" stack of apps.

What I find bizarre is my family teaches our deathsong (in English), own our ancestral villages and I am not Cherokee according to the EEOC. My ancestors were paid with really good forged documents by the CSA in return for interrogation services in the Civil War.

Common Sense Craig · 01-11-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Djinn

You say that it is "discriminatory in its exclusion." Who, exactly, is being excluded?

No, I said "discriminatory in its execution."

But, to address the second part of your post, and despite what some may think, White males ARE discriminated against, and more and more White females, too, in the work place and in schools because of radical Affirmative Action, so-called diversity training, quotas and bleeding-heart Liberalism and scared-Conservatism.

Common Sense Craig · 01-11-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by william the wierd

What I find bizarre is my family teaches our deathsong (in English), own our ancestral villages and I am not Cherokee according to the EEOC. My ancestors were paid with really good forged documents by the CSA in return for interrogation services in the Civil War.

Because, in my opinion, Affirmative Action is for Blacks and Hispanics(mainly those with limited English), only. Nowadays, Indians from India are very much a part of that equation.

Djinn · 01-11-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

No, I said "discriminatory in its execution."

But, to address the second part of your post, and despite what some may think, White males ARE discriminated against, and more and more White females, too, in the work place and in schools because of radical Affirmative Action, so-called diversity training, quotas and bleeding-heart Liberalism and scared-Conservatism.

My mistake; I misread the word. Are white males really having a demonstrably more difficult time as a result of this policy?