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Old 10-05-2007, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default The Events that led to 9/11!

According to many politicians and people Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist, but in a war, there is no such thing as a terrorist. You will probably ask yourself now:' But what war? There wasn't a war going on before the 9/11 attack,' well that might not be true. According to history there was a war but it was covered up by media and the press. American government is responsible for that day, not by doing it themselves like some people claim, but by lying to their people, and deceiving from them what was really going on. Here are the facts and prove me wrong if I am:

More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (U.S. sanctions) imposed on Iraq and its nation. (This is back from 1996, imagine what the number is now)

The Americans are continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless.

Despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the American - Jewish alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

The aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

The British handed over Palestine, with American help and American support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and America is the leader of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime.

Some of you will probably claim that Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. With that said it is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

Americans attacked Muslims in Somalia; they supported the Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon.

Americans steal their wealth and oil at paltry prices because of their international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

American forces occupy Muslim countries; they spread their military bases throughout them; they corrupt their lands, and they besiege their sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of American pillage of their treasures.

American government has starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of American sanctions, and America did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of American people died, the entire world rose and has not yet sat down.

American government has supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move their embassy there.

These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of American governments oppression and aggression against the people of the Middle East.

You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack penetrate lands of the Middle East. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against the Muslims in the Middle East.

The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack them.

This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against them.

American government used their force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure their interests and profits. The government who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have they carried out? So much for 'freedom.'

However, history will not forget the war crimes that the American government committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those they have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that they will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind them of their latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. They are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of their prisoners through suffocation and thirst. God alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of them and their agents. Their planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into their faces.

All these crimes committed by the Americans were and are a clear declaration of war.

So yes, a war was going on before 9/11 and after that day it has only worsened. In other words, it has gone public. If the American government wanted to 'free' Iraq and it's people then why are millions of them in graves and why are they taking it's riches away from it's people. It is clear that this war has nothing to do with democracy, Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. This war is a deception to divert from the Jewish occupation of Palestine, and to rob the Iraqi people of all of their natural resources. To weaken the Middle East and get them to accept Israel as a state.

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:06 PM   #2
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Before I decided to prove you wrong can you prove your facts.

Prove your facts as stated. Show me links, documents, papers...anything that I can read with some objectivity.
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Let me get the web site you got all this information on, cause I can break this down piece by piece
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I new you wouldn't be able to give me the information, because there is probably little if any information supporting many of the things you have said. And the places you recieved your information from are probably biased against Israel and have no crediblity.
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Due to the length of your post, I'd like to deal with one thing at a time.
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According to many politicians and people Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist, but in a war, there is no such thing as a terrorist. You will probably ask yourself now:' But what war? There wasn't a war going on before the 9/11 attack,' well that might not be true. According to history there was a war but it was covered up by media and the press. American government is responsible for that day, not by doing it themselves like some people claim, but by lying to their people, and deceiving from them what was really going on. Here are the facts and prove me wrong if I am:
This is nothing more than an attempt to build your future argument around emotion, the fact is that there exists no legal definition of Terrorism that has been accepted by international courts. The very premis of your argument is false.
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I knew you weren't gonna be able to show me anything cause either there is so little out there they you can't find anything proving what you say or your sources are biased against Israel. This is a silly argument unless you have sources. Good Sources.
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More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (U.S. sanctions) imposed on Iraq and its nation. (This is back from 1996, imagine what the number is now)
These must be the "US" sanctions to which you refer?
UN Security Council Resolution 661 UN Security Council Resolution 661 -1990
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This is nothing more than an attempt to build your future argument around emotion, the fact is that there exists no legal definition of Terrorism that has been accepted by international courts. The very premis of your argument is false.
like i give a damn about international courts

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A staging post for what? Do tell.

And which rulers do you refer to when you say 'all it's rulers'?
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