Kyryahn

Well provide me with those stats showing those immigrants are more prone to criminal behaviors than "true" Americans in the same poverty situation.

If your family was starving and you couldn't find a job at home, wouldn't you do the same as those immigrants? When you're in the good situation, it's easy to critizise and blame the ones who aren't.
As I said, it's what capitalism is all about, isn't it? Market prices adjusting to offer and demand. Or don't you think it's the best system, and America should become socialist or communist, with state determined wages and prices? It always crack me up to see Americans bragging about capitalism and free market, but suddenly say the opposite when it's no more in America's advantage.
Level of wages in China has nothing to do with my argument. Economy is circular, money given to people goes back into the system, whatever it amounts to. An immigrant who works will be paid, and will spend his money. Economy isn't a fixed amount being divided according to the population number, but enlarges the more citizens you get, not affecting the individual share and wealth of people. China could have 2 million or 5 billions citizens, it wouldn't change anything to the situation of those people.
Actually it should even be made easier for families of a working immigrant to come join him/her, so his/her money earned doesn't go back to his family in his home country, but is spent where he earns it (so immigrants will have a neutral effect on economy, and not a negative one). A lot of European countries understood that and practices it.

Maybe it's not clear so I'll use an example. Imagine Pedro coming illegally into the US with his family. He'll "steal" a job from a real American, and will get paid 1000$ a month. He and his family will spend this money in one way or another (even sparing to buy a house, but ultimately it will be spent), and so will create a supplementary demand on the market for 1000$ a month. It will call for production of 1000$ a month of more goods/services, thus will call for the creation of a new job.
The coming of Pedro and his family into the US will thus have had a neutral effect on the economy, and not impacted the situation of the other Americans.

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- Voltaire

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Zarathustra

What does it matter? Either way, they damage our economy. My point still stands.

"The problem with stupid people is that they are the only one who doesn't know."
- Tick (Ironic, isn't it?)

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Kyryahn

Are you dumb or what? I'm referring to other crimes than their illegal status. If you decree all dogs illegals, of course all dogs will be criminals. Use your brain sometimes please.

It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.
- Voltaire

The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?
- Pablo Casals

Zarathustra

The minimum wage HURTS workers. It's basic economics, if you make a company have to pay it's employers more than it already is, it will lose money. Therefore, workers will be laid off. Also, it decreases the amount of jobs available.

"The problem with stupid people is that they are the only one who doesn't know."
- Tick (Ironic, isn't it?)

"You do not know what genocide is, do you? It means the irradication of a race to obliviation through death."
- Tick (Tick knows his vocab words)

Burning Giraffe

... and if the company requires the same number of employees it will drive up prices, reducing national capital.

Kyryahn

No, it will not lose money. Minimum wages are carefully studied you know, they're not numbers thrown off some politician's ass. If a company is paying less than that minimum wage to its workers, it's to engross the boss or the shareholders.
For example, if there's a minimum wage of 1500$ a month for factory workers working 40hrs a week, it will be because it's estimated that those workers earn at least 2000$ a month for their company. If a company is not able to rentabilize correctly its workers, then it's not competitive.

It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.
- Voltaire

The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?
- Pablo Casals

Zarathustra

Sorry, but what is rentabilize?

And minimum wage would also hurt shareholders because they would get less money. Let's not forget that most companies today have shareholders, so what hurts the shareholders also hurts the company.


And it most certainly hurts small bussinesses that dont have shareholders.

"The problem with stupid people is that they are the only one who doesn't know."
- Tick (Ironic, isn't it?)

"You do not know what genocide is, do you? It means the irradication of a race to obliviation through death."
- Tick (Tick knows his vocab words)

Migi e!

25% of prisoners in US prisons are illegal immigrants, & they're just the ones that have been jailed, more walk than are incarcerated.

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michaelr

I don't care if their more proned or not, thats not the issue. WE THE AMERICANS PAY FOR IT.

No I would not jump the border, they got my job, did I go further north like Canada, NO

The so called free trade that we have today is not based on a fair system. Maybe you haven't noticed but every day there are more and more recalls, our food is sprayed with pesticides that are banned here, china continues to use lead paint in childrens toys..I could go on and on, but not when talking to a wall.
yeppers the more slaves the better for the system!
Hell under the GRAND AMNESTY BILL that they will eventually get passed, they can bring in up to 11 families, lets see 20,000,000*11=?

Blueneck

Why would we need more jobs that don't pay enough for people to live on? When was the last time you took a pay cut so the CEO could post better profits for the quarter and get a bonus?

RIP Steve-o.