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    Government Health Tab to Hit $ 4.6 Trillion in 2020

    Gov't: Health tab to hit $4.6 trillion in 2020 - Yahoo! News
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's health care tab is on track to hit $4.6 trillion in 2020, accounting for about $1 of every $5 in the economy, government number crunchers estimate in a report out Thursday.

    How much is that? Including government and private money, health care spending in 2020 will average $13,710 for every man, woman and child, says Medicare's Office of the Actuary.
    By comparison, U.S. health care spending this year is projected to top $2.7 trillion, or about $8,650 per capita, roughly $1 of $6 in the economy. Most of that spending is for care for the sickest people.

    The analysis found that President Barack Obama's health care overhaul would only be a modest contributor to growing costs, even though an additional 30 million people who would be otherwise uninsured stand to gain coverage.
    The main reasons that health care spending keeps growing faster than the economy are the high cost of medical innovations and an aging society that consumes increasing levels of service.

    The report found that health care spending in 2010 grew at a historically low rate of 3.9 percent, partly because of the sluggish economy. That will change as the economy shakes off the lingering effects of the recession.

    Estimates from previous years had projected that the government share would already be at the 50 percent mark, but the actuary's office changed its method for making the complex calculations. Under the previous approach, some private payments such as worker's compensation insurance had been counted in the government column. Technical accuracy — not political pressure — was behind that change, said Stephen Heffler, one of the experts who work on the estimates. Thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by OP article View Post
    The analysis found that President Barack Obama's health care overhaul would only be a modest contributor to growing costs, even though an additional 30 million people who would be otherwise uninsured stand to gain coverage.
    The main reasons that health care spending keeps growing faster than the economy are the high cost of medical innovations and an aging society that consumes increasing levels of service.
    As many of the saner, more centered members of this forum know, the Health Care Bill's primary flaw was it didn't fix the costs of health care. It was a huge compromise to pass the bill which did little to the problem except slap some band-aids on it. When the Tea Party candidates took office, they wasted time on repealing a bill which could not be repealed instead of focusing upon fixing what parts they could.
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    For a bill that is supposed to address the oppressive rising costs of health care, the failure to address the cost problem isn't just a flaw. It makes the entire thing an epic failure.

    Maybe it wasn't really intended to do the things its title might suggest.


    President Obama fashions himself a scourge on special interests, yet the corporate and union lobby influence is ubiquitous in his “hallmark” legislation, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. In this podcast with Michael Ostrolenk, Timothy P. Carney, formerly of Human Events and protege to the legendary journalist Bob Novak, and now Senior Political Columnist for the Washington Examiner, exposes the features written into ObamaCare to benefit the well-connected special interests at the expense of American citizens as a whole. Drug company and big insurance lobbyists “at the table” extracted corporate welfare trophies like limits on HSA drug purchases to prescription, rather than over-the-counter, drugs, expanded Medicare prescription drug subsidies, and not to mention the individual mandate to buy health insurance. And now that the bill has become law, the Congressional staffers that wrote the bill have fled their government jobs for the “Great Health Care Cash-out” to lobby for corporate-friendly implementation regulations of the provisions of the PPACA. Listen to learn more about the shocking truths about how big government and special interests are colluding to control the agenda in DC for the benefit of both parties and the detriment of our liberties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    For a bill that is supposed to address the oppressive rising costs of health care, the failure to address the cost problem isn't just a flaw. It makes the entire thing an epic failure.
    And yet, as the article itself notes, adding some 30 million people to the rolls of the insured resulted in only a "modest" increase in costs.

    Of course I'm sure you're description of "epic fail" would not have been the same even if there were no new cost increases. After all, those who are opposed to the ACA, are generally so logical and reasonable about their opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    And yet, as the article itself notes, adding some 30 million people to the rolls of the insured resulted in only a "modest" increase in costs.
    Yet, I've heard the argument from those supporting the public option or UHC say we need the public option or UHC because we pay higher costs when we have to pay for emergency care for the uninsured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    And yet, as the article itself notes, adding some 30 million people to the rolls of the insured resulted in only a "modest" increase in costs.
    So when your solution to a huge problem actually "modestly" worsens it... that's success?

    PPACA might solve liberals' goal of spreading welfare thinner and thinner across more people while tugjobbing corporations lobbying for the legislation, but it doesn't do a thing to fulfill its stated intention, which is to drive costs down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    For a bill that is supposed to address the oppressive rising costs of health care, the failure to address the cost problem isn't just a flaw. It makes the entire thing an epic failure.

    Maybe it wasn't really intended to do the things its title might suggest.
    Maybe your on to something.

    The rise in health care costs has been sluggish because of the economy. Obama has consistently failed at fixing the economy. Perhaps he's just trying to keep the rate of the rise of health care costs down.

    Hmmm...he actually CARES about the people.
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    Interesting article, the full text of which is here:

    National Health Spending Projections Through 2020: Economic Recovery And Reform Drive Faster Spending Growth

    The key to the projection remains medical inflation:

    "National health spending is expected to grow 5.8 percent per year for the period 2010 through 2020, 1.1 percentage points faster than the expected average annual rise in gross domestic product. As a result, the health share of the gross domestic product is projected to increase from 17.6 percent in 2009 to 19.8 percent by 2020."

    Don't get me wrong, it COULD be true, we have experienced terrible medical inflation and college tuition inflation, but at SOME POINT (and I can't tell you where that is), costs simply cannot rise beyond our rise in income. This is precisely what happened in housing and eventually we just couldn't afford the increases anymore.

    It does show that the health care problem is a double edged sword, it is one of coverage and affordability, an issue which overlaps, but which is critical to our long term prosperity.

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    My thoughts are "$4.6 trillion too much."

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    Of course costs are going to keep rising. Obama's attempt to "reform" healthcare from within the private corporatist system was doomed to failure.


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