Thread: Hugo Chavez

anyone think he is bad?
I don’t know much about him but I looked at what he is doing and I don’t find it really bad. He is trading with allot of people and making more social plans for Venezuela?

He is trading how ever with Cuba but is Cuba all that bad?

anyone think he is bad?

Why do people even bother to ask this question?

Of course he's bad!

Originally Posted by Feslin

Why do people even bother to ask this question?

Of course he's bad!

Why is he bad, Fes? I respect your views, so I don't expect a right wing American answer.

Originally Posted by Leo

Why is he bad, Fes? I respect your views, so I don't expect a right wing American answer.

Well, he's a Socialist. But let's go around that, shall we?

After the media-backed 2002 coup attempt, Venezuela passed 'social responsibility' legislation ostensibly regulating the media but has largely failed to enforce it

That's one I haven't heard before. Let's go around it.

The BBC says that Chavez "has made no secret of the fact that he is in favour of amending the constitution so that he can run again for president in 2012."

Hmm, interesting, but not terrible.

The government was accused of increasing the voter rolls by giving citizenship to illegal immigrants and refugees, and the opposition claimed that it was a citizenship for votes program. Voter registration increased by about 2 million people ahead of the referendum, which in effect raised the threshold of the 20% of the electorate needed to effect a recall.

Bad, but still, not terrible.

On April 9, 2002, CTV leader Carlos Ortega called for a two-day general strike. Hundreds of thousands [38] took to the streets on April 11, 2002 and marched towards the headquarters of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA), in defense of its recently-fired management. The organisers decided to redirect the march to Miraflores, the presidential palace, where a pro-Chávez demonstration was taking place. Gunfire and violence erupted between two groups of demonstrators, Caracas' Metropolitan Police (under the control of the oppositionist mayor), and the Venezuelan national guard (under Chávez's command), and snipers were reported from the areas where both opposition and Chávez supporters were concentrated. Domestic and international observers criticised the Government for excessive abuse of its right to call national broadcasts requiring all broadcast media to cease scheduled programming and transmit the broadcasts in their entirety. Between April 9 and 11, the government required all radio and TV stations to transmit numerous speeches by President Chávez, other government officials, and other programming favorable to the Government, even shutting the signals of the stations who refused, in an attempt to block coverage of the demonstrations and ensuing violence.

Hmm...

Enabling act (Venezuela) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dictator for a year. I'd like that.



Hopefully this is enough for now?

of course if you ask the question, Is hugo Chavez bad, you gotta define bad from whose perspective.

I think Chavez is in a very fortunate situation. HE is sitting on a lot of oil, and has the abiility to dispense that aid wherever he can. I wonder if what he is doing with that oil - does he invest in business for his country, or is he giving it out welfare style? HE certainly goes around with a big mouth - whether he can pull the punches when the time comes, who knows.

He has capitalized on anti-american sentiment in his region, and obviously understands that he has been given a mandate to go against the bush administration whole-heartedly.

Bad? I think the way that you need to define bad is that it does not contribute to the general stability and good throughout the world.

Yeah, i'll agree that there are different ways to interpret that statements ; does bad mean that you, yourself, go for the general stability, or do you try to stop someone else from going against the general will of the world.

I sort of reject the statment that you need to 'protect the general stability' by killing killers. You do, however, get points if you try to do somehing positive after you do it.

Argh i'm tired and i'm rambling.

Chavez has done nothing for international stability. Yes he has given a voice to the 'poor and oppressed', but how has he done it? He has opposed the hated american administration, called bush the 'devil', and waved his country's power around like it was a big superpower. To me, that is all bullshit; its propaganda designed to make the 'poor' and 'oppressed' people feel good.

As to the actual results he has brought...you can't take people out of poverty unless you teach em to work for themselves. Wherever he has done that, good job; wherever he has used his oil money to build influence by giving cheap oil, or money - that's bad.

I also find it quite amusing that the biggest weapon he has...is the American consumer. If he wants to, he can squeeze the American consumer for a lot - he can't ACTUALLY do anything to us that we won't do to ourselves. If people stopped driving tommorrow, he wouldn't be able to do anything.

Venezuala doesnt have a free press and enither does the US. I can't read anything about him and believe it. he's a mystery to me. Even 'fair' news sources are kind of confused. One day he's accused of jailing reporters for writing about him, the nest day he's thanked for ending human rights abuses in South America.

I dunno.

I don't know, either. All I do know is that he's against celebrating Columbus Day, which I'm all for. Other than that, he's a complete mystery to me.

Originally Posted by AhabtheArab

anyone think he is bad?
I don’t know much about him but I looked at what he is doing and I don’t find it really bad. He is trading with allot of people and making more social plans for Venezuela?

He is trading how ever with Cuba but is Cuba all that bad?

Of course they are not bad. Look at how happy and well off Cuba's citizens are!! Yep, nothing like having a third world income, riding a bike and wishing you could feed your family for a day.

As for the lunatic who runs Venezuela, he's so convinced he is what's best for his country, he wants to change the Venezuelan constitution and make the Presidency a lifetime appointment. Isn't that just like them silly Leftists. They are such a hoot. I bet the Leftists in America think it would be okay to do the same thing. After all, they are the smartest people on the block!! Who needs choice when someone so much smarter than us can make those decisions for us.

Every society should be modeled after comuunism.

Now go out there and attempt to have a coherent thought. This kind of pathetic tripe is illustrative of how badly our education systems have failed our citizens.

Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles

Venezuala doesnt have a free press and enither does the US.

Ah yes. America doesn't have a free press. They only write positive stories about George Bush and his administration.

Want some cookies with that cool-aid?

Of course they are not bad. Look at how happy and well off Cuba's citizens are!! Yep, nothing like having a third world income, riding a bike and wishing you could feed your family for a day.

Yeh, it's a shame we're doin' that to 'em ain't it?