Thread: Israel the new nazis.

The nazis used gas to kill jews. Well now israel is using biological and chemical weapons on palestians and lebanonese. Here is one artical out of the many that are already out there.

Israel 'is using chemical ammunition'
Gulf News 7/11/2006
Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.
Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital.
In a telephone interview, Al Saqqa told Gulf News that operation Summer Rain was not just the code name of a military operation launched by Israel against Gaza since June 26.
"It is a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200," he said.
He said he was not yet sure about the kind of chemical being used because the Israeli Army had bombed the only criminal laboratory in Gaza on the first day of the assault.
Dr Saqqa who has been working in the Al Shifa Hospital for almost 10 years said he had never seen such wounds before.
At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.
I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.
I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.
"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."
Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.
"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.
Gulf News contacted the spokesman for the Israeli Army but he was not available for comment.

depleted uranium

The chemicles are DU. Thisis an American weapons enhancer. If Isreal is using these known sickness and death causing substances, it is genecidal.

Bush was asked by the Congressional Arms Committee to take DU out of our Iraq bombs. He refused. An estimated 50,000 Iraqi children are already suffering from the after-affects of the DU, according to the International Red Cross.

Wow david i didnt know that. Theres another war crime and sign of genocide based on america.

I dont want to derail your thread or steal any of your thunder against Israel, but...

If you knew what a real Nazi was, you wouldn't attach it to an Israeli of any kind, much less anything that is human or not human.

Please forgive the language, but I need it to make my point.

I would even be unhappy to call a real Nazi a piece of crap. Why? I wouldn't go so far as to insult crap in that manner, no turd or length of feces has done anything to merit such an insult.

That said, I can see where ammunicition such as this would be a terrible thing to use, by any country. However, Americans have all kinds of ammunition that makes this look weak. Most if not all very illegal for a private citizen to own, but they are the ones who make them in the first place.

Dragon Breath Ammo: Close range only, it's a blast of burning napalm injected into your body with around 2400 feet per second velocity.

Shredder Ammo: Designed to fragment and shoot off in 10 to 15 different directions in the human body while tumbling. usually a .45 or .50 caliber handgun for close range as the odd shape of the round impedes long distance accuracy.

Acid Ammo: Hydrolchloric Acid in a stainless steel hollowpoint, sealed in place with a glass resin. The velocity of the bullet and the glass resin keep the wad of hydrochloric acid in the hollow point until impact. There is enough to burn roughly 8 inches of meat away beyond the damage of the original bullet path.

Wad Cutter: There is no point on the bullet. It's like a solid wall of lead and is used for maximum damage. High Caliber only, where there is enough muzzle energy that penetration isn't as important as exploding flesh.

Pumpkin Ball Shell: Shotguns only. Just what it sounds like. A big, single, lead ball as if it was a mini cannon. Makes a mess out of anything. Very low survival rate, with even a hit the arm means removal of the arm in one blast.

I could go on and on and on.

Besides, what was your point? Oh yes, the terrible ammunition. Would you have approved if they had used rocket propelled grenades instead and blew those folks to bits? I would think so, as it's a favored weapon of Muslims when they feel the need to shoot at others.

Using it is a war crime and agianst interntaional law.
In 1996 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) gave an advisory opinion on the "legality of the threat or use of nuclear weapons".[3] This made it clear, in paragraph 54, 55 and 56, that international law on poisonous weapons, – the Second Hague Declaration of 29 July 1899, Hague Convention IV of 18 October 1907 and the Geneva Protocol of 17 June 1925 – did not cover nuclear weapons, because their prime or exclusive use was not to poison or asphyxiate. This ICJ opinion was about nuclear weapons, but the sentence "The terms have been understood, in the practice of States, in their ordinary sense as covering weapons whose prime, or even exclusive, effect is to poison or asphyxiate." also removes depleted uranium weaponry from coverage by the same treaties as their primary use is not to poison or asphyxiate, but to destroy materiel and kill soldiers through kinetic energy.
In 1996 and 1997, the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities of the United Nations Human Rights Commission[4], passed two motions [5] the first in 1996[6] and the second in 1997[7]. They listed weapons of mass destruction, or weapons with indiscriminate effect, or of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering and urged all states to curb the production and the spread of such weapons. Included in the list was weaponry containing depleted uranium. The committee authorized a working paper, in the context of human rights and humanitarian norms, of the weapons. The requested UN working paper was delivered in 2002[8] by Y.K.J. Yeung Sik Yuen in accordance with Sub-Commission on Promotion and Protection of Human Rights resolution 2001/36. He argues that the use of DU in weapons, along with the other weapons listed by the Sub‑Commission, may breach one or more of the following treaties: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the United Nations Convention Against Torture; the Geneva Conventions including Protocol I; the Convention on Conventional Weapons of 1980; and the Chemical Weapons Convention. Yeung Sik Yuen writes in Paragraph 133 under the title "Legal compliance of weapons containing DU as a new weapon":

Originally Posted by Oberdan

I dont want to derail your thread or steal any of your thunder against Israel, but...

If you knew what a real Nazi was, you wouldn't attach it to an Israeli of any kind, much less anything that is human or not human.

Please forgive the language, but I need it to make my point.

I would even be unhappy to call a real Nazi a piece of crap. Why? I wouldn't go so far as to insult crap in that manner, no turd or length of feces has done anything to merit such an insult.

That said, I can see where ammunicition such as this would be a terrible thing to use, by any country. However, Americans have all kinds of ammunition that makes this look weak. Most if not all very illegal for a private citizen to own, but they are the ones who make them in the first place.

Dragon Breath Ammo: Close range only, it's a blast of burning napalm injected into your body with around 2400 feet per second velocity.

Shredder Ammo: Designed to fragment and shoot off in 10 to 15 different directions in the human body while tumbling. usually a .45 or .50 caliber handgun for close range as the odd shape of the round impedes long distance accuracy.

Acid Ammo: Hydrolchloric Acid in a stainless steel hollowpoint, sealed in place with a glass resin. The velocity of the bullet and the glass resin keep the wad of hydrochloric acid in the hollow point until impact. There is enough to burn roughly 8 inches of meat away beyond the damage of the original bullet path.

Wad Cutter: There is no point on the bullet. It's like a solid wall of lead and is used for maximum damage. High Caliber only, where there is enough muzzle energy that penetration isn't as important as exploding flesh.

Pumpkin Ball Shell: Shotguns only. Just what it sounds like. A big, single, lead ball as if it was a mini cannon. Makes a mess out of anything. Very low survival rate, with even a hit the arm means removal of the arm in one blast.

I could go on and on and on.

Besides, what was your point? Oh yes, the terrible ammunition. Would you have approved if they had used rocket propelled grenades instead and blew those folks to bits? I would think so, as it's a favored weapon of Muslims when they feel the need to shoot at others.

Isreal uses it on civillians and does it to others.

You're right, Oberdan, comparing the Israelis to the Nazis is exaggerating. However, as far as the point of this story, we're talking about the Israelis against the Palestinians. When Hezbollah was fighting Israel, their weapons capabilities were far inferior to Israel's and yet they still killed far less innocent civilians than Isreal.

As far as the use of chemical weapons, I think the international health authorities need to get there ASAP and confirm the accusation. Muslims may be blowing people up but that leads to instant death (or shrapnel wounds). The use of chemical weapons is against international law for a reason.

Go jBrid. You own!

Originally Posted by Jbird

You're right, Oberdan, comparing the Israelis to the Nazis is exaggerating. However, as far as the point of this story, we're talking about the Israelis against the Palestinians. When Hezbollah was fighting Israel, their weapons capabilities were far inferior to Israel's and yet they still killed far less innocent civilians than Isreal.

As far as the use of chemical weapons, I think the international health authorities need to get there ASAP and confirm the accusation. Muslims may be blowing people up but that leads to instant death (or shrapnel wounds). The use of chemical weapons is against international law for a reason.

I bolded the text there, if anyone was curious. I just want to bring focus to what I am commenting on.

Of course the use of chemical weapons is against international law. If I took a gun with a normal lead bullet and shot someone, that is also illegal even locally.

Regardless of your beliefs, regardless of where you live, blowing up people and killing them with chemical weapons lead to the same end result. So your argument holds no weight or water with me.

Since you talk as if instant death is a good thing, maybe we can market it?

/sarcasim on

Get your Instant Death now! But wait, if you order in the next 10 minutes, we'll double your order and the shipping and handling is free!

/sarcasim off

Yeah Jbird, you own all right, a nice shining example for those young ones on this board who may one day feel vindicated in glory enough to strap a bomb on themselves.

Get something straight in your head right now. I'm not arguing for Israel. I am not arguing for the Americans. I am not arguing for Muslims.

I'm against all this, "We gotta kill people" piss ass attitude. Look at the subject line of this thread. It's not about Islam. It's not about Christianity, though the Muslims would certainly like everyone to believe everything is all about religion. It's about someone calling the Israelis the New Nazis.

LaughingArabPhilosopher,

If that was even remotely true, even by a fraction of truth, they would NOT be using chemical bullets to just cause damage. They wouldn't be trying to push the line back and create a new buffer zone to stop tons of unrelenting rocket barrages that happen just because they live there.

They would be massacring everyone. They wouldnt pull back or bend to international pressure. There would be no cease fire. Men, women, elderly, babies, all killed and not always by bullets as bullets are expensive. They would take babies to be skinned. Yes, using baby skin to make lamp shades. Ever see any? I have, and they were under a cage of bullet proof glass, with the swastika engraved at the base where the light switch sat, right there in the Texas World War Two Monument Building. Under the heading, "Nazi Attrocities". Do you see Arabic Baby Skin Lamp Shades? Well?

Are there ovens for burning Arabs to ash by the hundreds of thousands per hour? My own Father, in his day, helped knock over one of those many butcher camps and actually had nightmares for decades afterwards because the allied forces turned off an oven just as it started to try and save those inside, and when they opened the doors, it was far too late even in a short time. Half cooked, mostly blackened to the bones, it took little to no time to kill those 140 people cramed into a 20 foot by 20 foot oven. Layered, adults on the bottom, children in the middle and toddlers and babies on top and jammed into place. The 15 foot deep ash bin under the structure was almost full and it was 11 in the morning. By the way, that camp had 40 of those ovens running full tilt.

Well? Is there anything like that Israel has for Arabs?

Be careful wherefor you speak, using the word 'Nazi'. Israel may be many things. Nazi they are not. Even Jbird recognized that as an exageration. You know, the one who you say, 'owns'.

The Israeli's aren't the new Nazi's but they are practicing their own version of Apartheid. At the same time, our Federal government has totally embraced fascism. Mussolini must be laughing his ass off.