Thread: "Lies" About The War The Biggest Lie Of All

"Lies" About The War The Biggest Lie Of All

The critics of the war, in their impassioned endeavour, to impugn the Bush, Blair, and Howard governments, are far from being morally and intellectually hampered from using meretricious arguments to make their case against the war. The English essayist Chesterton observed, where is the best place to hide a leaf?' His answer was in a tree. The opponents of the war observe, 'where is the best place to hide the truth?' Their answer is in a lie...

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Fere libenter homines it quod volunt credunt.
Julius Caesar, Gallic War, iii. 18.

Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia 1431-1501) once said that men are so simple they will believe anything. The Borgia Pope, while the spiritual leader of the Church, was, if anything, a homme du monde; and, for all his faults, a keen observer of human nature, noting that it is a defect in the human nature that we would rather listen to lies than believe the truth we can see with our own eyes. The simple truth is that we don't want to face the truth. Even when forced to confront the facts, we deny them and make up excuses. In The Prince (modeled after Pope Alexander’s son Cesare), Niccolo Machiavelli wrote about the state and its rule as it is rather than as it should be, for which, after five centuries of experience, he continues to be roundly condemned. It is a social preference for what we choose to believe, though false, over what is in fact true. Great Caesar was right when he wrote: "Men willingly believe what they wish to be true."

Originally Posted by W.J. Wilczek

Fere libenter homines it quod volunt credunt.
Julius Caesar, Gallic War, iii. 18.

Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia 1431-1501) once said that men are so simple they will believe anything. The Borgia Pope, while the spiritual leader of the Church, was, if anything, a homme du monde; and, for all his faults, a keen observer of human nature, noting that it is a defect in the human nature that we would rather listen to lies than believe the truth we can see with our own eyes. The simple truth is that we don't want to face the truth. Even when forced to confront the facts, we deny them and make up excuses. In The Prince (modeled after Pope Alexander’s son Cesare), Niccolo Machiavelli wrote about the state and its rule as it is rather than as it should be, for which, after five centuries of experience, he continues to be roundly condemned. It is a social preference for what we choose to believe, though false, over what is in fact true. Great Caesar was right when he wrote: "Men willingly believe what they wish to be true."

What's this post about? Why there's a pope in the first place?

Originally Posted by Sparta

What's this post about? Why there's a pope in the first place?

Just another traditional figurehead in place to suppress people's thoughts. ~Inkster

"As Alexander VI was entering a little town in the neighborhood of Rome, which had just been evacuated by the enemy, he perceived the townsmen busy in the marketplace in pulling down from a gibbet a figure which had been designed to represent himself. There were some also knocking down a neighboring statue of one of the Orsini family, with whom he was at war, in order to put Alexander’s effigy in its place. It is possible a man who knew less of the world would have condemned the adulation of these barefaced flatterers; but Alexander seemed pleased at their zeal, and turning to Borgia, his son, said with a smile: ‘Vides, me fili, quam leve discrimen patibulum inter et statuam.’ ‘You see, my son, the small difference between a gibbet and a statue.’ If the great could be taught any lesson, this might serve to teach them upon how weak a foundation their glory stands which is built upon popular applause; for as popular applause is excited by what seems like merit, it quickly condemns what has only the appearance of guilt."

- Oliver Goldsmith, "The Instability of Popular Favor" (c.1760)

"In accordance to the principles of Doublethink... "it does not matter if the war is not real... "or when it is, that victory is not possible. "The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. "The essential act of modern warfare... "is the destruction of the produce of human labor. "A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. "In principle, the war effort is always planned... "to keep society on the brink of starvation. "The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. "And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia... "but to keep the very structure of society intact." Orwell's 1984

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Just another traditional figurehead in place to suppress people's thoughts. ~Inkster

you are great, Inky

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Just another traditional figurehead in place to suppress people's thoughts. ~Inkster

Unfortunatly, I havent seen the thoughts of anyone suppressed yet, not even those of potential converts to the religion of peace.

The Pope is not a suppressive figure and to call any Pope that is horrible.

Why is that horribel?

I dislike this pope and the one before.

The catholic church is suppresive though, it has always been