How to get illegal guns off the streets of America?

**Oscar99** · 29th January 2012 04:04 PM

So, FBI records and stats are clear: a great majority of crimes are not committed by legally purchased & possessed guns. Either the guns are sold illegally by the gun dealer, or someone buys lots of guns legally and then sells them illegally.

So, if registering the guns of law-abiding citizens isn't going to solve this problem, how do we get guns out of the hands of people who buy them illegally?

Do we need better over-sight over gun dealers? Better over-sight of the gun manufacturers?

since the guns come from them, perhaps the focus should be on them.

**Rasselas** · 29th January 2012 04:10 PM

How about better oversight of gun owners? Make everyone own a gun safe and do lots PSAs about the importance of keeping guns locked up when they aren't in use. Those illegal guns often come theft.

**Oscar99** · 29th January 2012 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Rasselas

How about better oversight of gun owners? Make everyone own a gun safe and do lots PSAs about the importance of keeping guns locked up when they aren't in use. Those illegal guns often come theft.

you didn't read the OP.

most crimes are NOT committed by legal gun owners. Legal gun owners, are not the ones committing the crimes.

the problem doesn't lay with them, its with the illegal guns being sold to illegal gun owners.

most guns used in crimes are NOT bought from folks who buy one gun from the local gun dealer.

they are bought from criminal gun dealers, or from folks who make large straw purchases to sell guns on the street to criminals.

**michaelr** · 29th January 2012 05:23 PM

One of Obama's illegal gun running schemes ordered legally operated firearm dealers to sell to anyone without checks. These guns were sold in Indiana and ended up in the hands of hardened gang in Chicago.

We do not know how many times this has happened in this country, but we know that there are also three gun running operations into Mexico, and we know about the murderous actions that were caused by this action, but these is yet another stat. These guns show up on the streets of the US, whilst being used in crimes.

If anyone thinks there is a problem with straw purchases, then I suggest you have Obama's DOJ put an end to their treasonous crimes.

Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales

**Oscar99** · 29th January 2012 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by michaelr

...If anyone thinks there is a problem with straw purchases, then I suggest you have Obama's DOJ put an end to their treasonous crimes.

Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales

keep your fucking conspiracy theories out of my threads.

**Rasselas** · 29th January 2012 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Oscar99

you didn't read the OP.

most crimes are NOT committed by legal gun owners. Legal gun owners, are not the ones committing the crimes.

I didn't say that. But where do you think those illegal guns come from? Are they purchased directly from the factories somehow? No, many are STOLEN from legitimate gun owners. And while I agree that we should look after the business of gun dealing more closely (and that should be the easy part), gun owners do have a role to play.

**michaelr** · 29th January 2012 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Oscar99

keep your fucking conspiracy theories out of my threads.

It isn't a conspiracy theory at all. The president that you support is a criminal. You better hope the only reason he is arming criminals is to demonize the 2nd amendment.

Until this has been completely stopped and the guns gathered, and that can't happen, then nothing should happen to gun owners or legal gun purchases.

**Oscar99** · 29th January 2012 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by michaelr

It isn't a conspiracy theory at all. The president that you support is a criminal. You better hope the only reason he is arming criminals is to demonize the 2nd amendment.

Until this has been completely stopped and the guns gathered, and that can't happen, then nothing should happen to gun owners or legal gun purchases.

again, keep your god damn conspiracy theories out of my threads.

**Oscar99** · 29th January 2012 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rasselas

I didn't say that. But where do you think those illegal guns come from? Are they purchased directly from the factories somehow? No, many are STOLEN from legitimate gun owners. And while I agree that we should look after the business of gun dealing more closely (and that should be the easy part), gun owners do have a role to play.

ok, so we need to stop gun dealers from selling guns to criminals, or selling lots of guns to folks who sell them illegally.

from what I read, most guns used in crimes are not stolen guns.

**michaelr** · 29th January 2012 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Oscar99

again, keep your god damn conspiracy theories out of my threads.

We have the proof. It is no conspiracy theory, but then again this isn't your thread.

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”The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana [gun] dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.” This latest front in the ATF’s Gunwalker scandal raises all kinds of questions about the scope and scale of the Bureau’s supposed law enforcement activities . . .

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