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    Happy Dominion Day, Canada ! Who Should Become the First King (or Queen) of Canada?

    Who Should Become the First King (or Queen) of Canada?
    Happy Dominion Day! Isn't it time for the country to appoint a native monarch of its own?

    By Andrew Cohen
    Jun 30 2011, 9:31 AM ET


    Friday is Canada Day, marking the anniversary of the date the world's second largest nation (in terms of land mass, anyway) was politely granted its independence from Great Britain. It happened 144 years ago, in 1867, just two years and two months after the Civil War ended and Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. Today, congenitally collegial Canadians often celebrate Canada Day by enjoying Tim Hortons doughnuts, evacuating the cities to their country houses on pristine lakes, and watching the free-agency signing frenzy begin in the National Hockey League (live on TSN, natch).

    This year, however, right in time for the holiday, Canadians will get a special treat. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, otherwise known as William and Kate, otherwise known as the hottest couple on the planet, will be visiting what is by far the coolest of the remaining nations of the Commonwealth. The visit, in turn, evidently has caused an uptick in chatter about a Canadian monarchy or, more precisely, why there isn't one. And that, in turn, led to the suggestion that the Duke of Cambridge's brother, Harry, would be a fine choice to serve as the King of Canada (technically, of course, the job's already taken by Harry's grandmother).

    I think those dogged Canadian monarchists have it all wrong. The next Canadian royal ought to be the first Canadian royal. If Canada really wants to go down this road, it's time to pick a real Canadian to be King or Queen. My father had to sing "God Save the King" (in honor of George V, Edward III, and George VI) when he went to school in Montreal in the 1930s. I learned to recite "God Save the Queen" (in honor of Elizabeth II) when I went to school there 40 years later. So I feel like I've earned the right to suggest we vote for candidates far better suited than Harry to be Canada's first on-its-own Queen or King.

    You can make your selections from the suggestions below -- and you can also offer your alternatives. (Be nice! And be careful. For example, if you suggest Celine Dion, your computer will automatically implode. And if you select famous Canadian actress Pamela Anderson, who was born on July 1, 1967, exactly one hundred years after Canada was born, that dude from the video will visit your home.) You can vote for Queen and King or just for one candidate. On the eve of another Dominion Day (that's what they called it when I lived there), here are my first ten prospects to bring the monarchy back to North America.

    more: Who Should Become the First King (or Queen) of Canada? - Andrew Cohen - International - The Atlantic

    Do Canadians really want their own monarch?

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    I would imagine they'd go for Republicanism instead of Parliamentary Monarchy, which would mean no monarch, and your head of state was an elected official.

    Monarchs are so Middle Ages. It doesn't seem compatible with the 21st century.
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    I know ... right!? It seems odd.

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    You all should hear @Leo wax eloquent about the monarchy. He's wrong, of course, but very interesting on the subject.
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    I vote William Shatner. Not only is he widely beloved, he's old, so they'd get to celebrate a succession quickly and get that out of the way fast too.
    Even when alternative views are clearly wrong, being exposed to them still expands our creative potential. In a way, the power of dissent is the power of surprise. After hearing someone shout out an errant answer, we work to understand it, which causes us to reassess our initial assumptions and try out new perspectives. “Authentic dissent can be difficult, but it’s always invigorating,” Nemeth says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I vote William Shatner. Not only is he widely beloved, he's old, so they'd get to celebrate a succession quickly and get that out of the way fast too.
    I kindof wonder if Canadians wouldn't pick the hockey player at the top of the list - Ken Drydon.

    How come Wayne Gretsky's not on the list? Bet he'd win !

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    Thanks, Jack! Although it is Canada Day, not Dominion Day, as we're no longer a Dominion of Britain, (since 1982 when we retrieved our Constitution and created the Charter).

    Maybe it's weird because I'm a Socialist, (well, it is), but I'm not inclined to agree with breaking ties with the Canadian Monarchy for a couple reasons. First, they play mostly a ceremonial role which is very watered down. Second, the cost would be enormous - I am just imagining now how they'll have to restructure so many areas of our polticial system and the amount of hours and dollars that would need to go into it, (example, our Crown corporation which owns many companies, existing legal structures, so on). Third, it really is part of our identity as a nation, whether we like it or not. Also, I really don't want to end up with a system similar to the US' where the Presidential bid is like some kind of popularity contest that involves massive amounts of spending on campaigns and frivolity. It's nice to have an impartial person to oversee and not act. There are actually some real benefits to our system in that way.

    And really, if it ain't broke... I think in the future we'll need to abolish it (which I would support when Queen Elizabeth II dies), but currently we have more important things to worry about and pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphima View Post
    Thanks, Jack! Although it is Canada Day, not Dominion Day, as we're no longer a Dominion of Britain, (since 1982 when we retrieved our Constitution and created the Charter).

    Maybe it's weird because I'm a Socialist, (well, it is), but I'm not inclined to agree with breaking ties with the Canadian Monarchy for a couple reasons. First, they play mostly a ceremonial role which is very watered down. Second, the cost would be enormous - I am just imagining now how they'll have to restructure so many areas of our polticial system and the amount of hours and dollars that would need to go into it, (example, our Crown corporation which owns many companies, existing legal structures, so on). Third, it really is part of our identity as a nation, whether we like it or not. Also, I really don't want to end up with a system similar to the US' where the Presidential bid is like some kind of popularity contest that involves massive amounts of spending on campaigns and frivolity. It's nice to have an impartial person to oversee and not act. There are actually some real benefits to our system in that way.

    And really, if it ain't broke... I think in the future we'll need to abolish it (which I would support when Queen Elizabeth II dies), but currently we have more important things to worry about and pay for.

    LOL, I know, I was just messing with ya ... in the spirit of the article posted. Hey, you guys call it the Canadian Monarchy? I didn't know that.

    You make good points on all the restructuring and identity. It's just odd, from the view on this side of the border, I'm sure you can imagine. We were taught that the monarchy was bad bad bad BAD. Like, starting in grade 1. ;-)



    So, HAPPY CANADA DAY !! Are you celebrating tomorrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    LOL, I know, I was just messing with ya ... in the spirit of the article posted. Hey, you guys call it the Canadian Monarchy? I didn't know that.

    You make good points on all the restructuring and identity. It's just odd, from the view on this side of the border, I'm sure you can imagine. We were taught that the monarchy was bad bad bad BAD. Like, starting in grade 1. ;-)


    So, HAPPY CANADA DAY !! Are you celebrating tomorrow?
    It's supposed to be the Canadian Monarchy, but most people I've heard just call it the Monarchy. When talking to people on forums, I notice they call it the British Monarchy, which it is not. In Britain it is the British Monarchy and in Canada it is the Canadian Monarchy. We share the Queen but she oversees different systems in different countries with different customs with varying degrees of authority/tradition. Each country within the Commonwealth has a different way of incorporating the Monarchy so it's not just the Monarchy, but the distinct Monarchy of each country, basically. Take for example our legal system - sure, it's pretty "British" on first glance, but then you've got the French civil law system in Quebec. It's the little things that add up to great differences.

    Monarchy of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's all very complicated. The role of the Monarchy here is really just tradition which other nations generally don't understand fully. Yes, the Queen could involve herself in our politics but we could just kick them out at our own choosing and they never involve themelves. Sure, technically we're all "subjects" to the Queen but "we" give her that power and can take it away. We have a Governor General instead of a President who represents the Queen but she/he is a Canadian citizen and isintended to act as an impartial person to more or less referee our politics and stamp a few pieces of legislation after the House and Senate approve.

    And no, not celebrating. I have the day off work because they don't want to have to pay me a ridiculous amount, which means I'm sleeping in and catching up on my school work. I'm also a little bit ornery and will listen to the fireworks and grumble, "Those damn kids are at it again. Once it hits 11:00PM I'm calling the police"... which I never follow through with... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphima View Post
    It's supposed to be the Canadian Monarchy, but most people I've heard just call it the Monarchy. When talking to people on forums, I notice they call it the British Monarchy, which it is not. In Britain it is the British Monarchy and in Canada it is the Canadian Monarchy. We share the Queen but she oversees different systems in different countries with different customs with varying degrees of authority/tradition. Each country within the Commonwealth has a different way of incorporating the Monarchy so it's not just the Monarchy, but the distinct Monarchy of each country, basically. Take for example our legal system - sure, it's pretty "British" on first glance, but then you've got the French civil law system in Quebec. It's the little things that add up to great differences.

    Monarchy of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's all very complicated. The role of the Monarchy here is really just tradition which other nations generally don't understand fully. Yes, the Queen could involve herself in our politics but we could just kick them out at our own choosing and they never involve themelves. Sure, technically we're all "subjects" to the Queen but "we" give her that power and can take it away. We have a Governor General instead of a President who represents the Queen but she/he is a Canadian citizen and isintended to act as an impartial person to more or less referee our politics and stamp a few pieces of legislation after the House and Senate approve.
    Fascinating stuff, Sera. I did always assume it was just the 'British Monarchy'. So, in Australia, they would say the 'Australian Monarchy'? Definitely never knew that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphima View Post
    And no, not celebrating. I have the day off work because they don't want to have to pay me a ridiculous amount, which means I'm sleeping in and catching up on my school work. I'm also a little bit ornery and will listen to the fireworks and grumble, "Those damn kids are at it again. Once it hits 11:00PM I'm calling the police"... which I never follow through with... lol.

    You're way too young for that, little one! Go out and have fun!!!

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