Thread: US created Taliban and abandoned Pakistan, says Hillary

US created Taliban and abandoned Pakistan, says Hillary

Well she almost told the truth. American's have it wrong on this issue. We hear where the Mujahadine was created to repel the Soviets. Well thats not at all true, in fact we created them to invade and commit acts of terror within the Soviet Union, knowing that they would invade Afghanistan, and pulled into their Viet Nam.

I was reading this article and thought the truth would fall out. We are responsible for the invasion of Afghanistan, the deterioration of Pakistan, the fall of a western friendly regime in Iran, and the Iran/Iraq war. Hell we set Saddam up in the first gulf war.

In all, millions of Muslim's died, is it any wonder they do not like us or trust us?

Originally Posted by michaelr

US created Taliban and abandoned Pakistan, says Hillary

Well she almost told the truth. American's have it wrong on this issue. We hear where the Mujahadine was created to repel the Soviets. Well thats not at all true, in fact we created them to invade and commit acts of terror within the Soviet Union, knowing that they would invade Afghanistan, and pulled into their Viet Nam.

I was reading this article and thought the truth would fall out. We are responsible for the invasion of Afghanistan, the deterioration of Pakistan, the fall of a western friendly regime in Iran, and the Iran/Iraq war. Hell we set Saddam up in the first gulf war.

In all, millions of Muslim's died, is it any wonder they do not like us or trust us?

Do you have any proof that the US "created" the mujahadeen? That the mujahadeen committed acts of terror within the USSR to provoke an invasion of Afghanistan? That the US is responsible for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iran/Iraq war?

Proof please.

You bet, there are many more docs as well.

First, let us look from the US bloc side at how we arrived at the present situation 30 years after Zbigniew Brzezinski successfully convinced Jimmy Carter to throw US support to the right-wing Muslim guerrillas fighting a Communist-led government in Afghanistan. Brzezinski correctly argued that US intervention there could provoke the Soviets to fall into what he called “the Afghan trap,” a political military quagmire that could be “their Vietnam.”

Here..............

This is a CFR version, and reveling.

Originally Posted by Bourne

Do you have any proof that the US "created" the mujahadeen? That the mujahadeen committed acts of terror within the USSR to provoke an invasion of Afghanistan? That the US is responsible for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iran/Iraq war?

Proof please.

Your article is an interesting Op-Ed piece but it doesn't offer proof of any of what I asked for in my post.

Originally Posted by Bourne

Your article is an interesting Op-Ed piece but it doesn't offer proof of any of what I asked for in my post.

It is proof, and hardly an op ed. Do you not know what Political Affairs is?

Bourne, none of these is contested, except the 'setting Saddam up in the first Gulf War' which is still open. You can look up any source you want. It's like saying the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour - people debate they why's and the who's responsible .... but nobody contests that the event's happened.

Here's an interview with Brzenziski

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

I'm sure the Afghani's that had their lives and bodies ripped apart appreciate a good joke as much as anyone else.

Originally Posted by michaelr

US created Taliban and abandoned Pakistan, says Hillary

Well she almost told the truth. American's have it wrong on this issue. We hear where the Mujahadine was created to repel the Soviets. Well thats not at all true, in fact we created them to invade and commit acts of terror within the Soviet Union, knowing that they would invade Afghanistan, and pulled into their Viet Nam.

I was reading this article and thought the truth would fall out. We are responsible for the invasion of Afghanistan, the deterioration of Pakistan, the fall of a western friendly regime in Iran, and the Iran/Iraq war. Hell we set Saddam up in the first gulf war.

In all, millions of Muslim's died, is it any wonder they do not like us or trust us?

You again misrepresent based on false assumption no differently then when you accused Mossad of creating Hamas. Your attempts to take complex political developments and twist them into simplistic conspiracy theories is worth of Lyndon Larouche. He would be proud of you.

In fact the Taliban was not created by the U.S. You clearly do not understand the difference between the Muhjahadeen the CIA in fact assisted when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan and the current Taliban.

In fact the CIA by the way like the Muhjahadeen also had nothing to do with Osama Ben Laden who they dismissed as a spoiled rich boy ass.

It is true some of the Muhjahadeen warriors would go on to form part of certain Taliban cells.

It is what happens. Nations will find their allies of today become their enemies tomorrow.

Yes its true certain allies come back to haunt the U.S. Gamel Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Idi Amin Dada Jr. of Uganda, Mummar Ghadaffi of Libya, Sadam Hussein of Iraq, Gen. Noriega of Panama are a few examples of CIA assisted puppets they have helped get into power who have come back to bite them in the ass.

Your point? Are you suggesting the U.S. is the only nation in the world to try manipulate the political affairs of other nations to their own advantage?

By the way the article you quote makes it clear in fact Aunt Hilary did not say the U.S. created the Taliban and nothing even remotely close to that in her comments.

Originally Posted by roobarb

By the way the article you quote makes it clear in fact Aunt Hilary did not say the U.S. created the Taliban and nothing even remotely close to that in her comments.

If you read my comment you will clearly see where I said I taught the truth would fall out. It matters not, the CFR, that is "The Council on Foreign Relations" through their text book backs up my claims, as does the interview from Brzezinski.

You will not see where I claimed Hillary did say that the US created the Taliban, but I do not change articles or titles. You assumption that I misrepresented anything is laughable.

Yes its true certain allies come back to haunt the U.S. Gamel Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Idi Amin Dada Jr. of Uganda, Mummar Ghadaffi of Libya, Sadam Hussein of Iraq, Gen. Noriega of Panama are a few examples of CIA assisted puppets they have helped get into power who have come back to bite them in the ass.

Your point?

I think that was his point. Exactly.

What are you disagreeing with?