Thread: Iran's Supreme Leader Khamenei Responds to Obama

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Obama's unprecedented greeting to Iran is met with an unprecedented response by Grand Ayatollah Khamenei

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Investigative historian and journalist, Gareth Porter, speaks to Sharmini Peries about President Obama's Nowruz greeting to Iran. Noting the significance of this unprecedented move by the US government, and the saying that this is the first time the Iranian leader himself has responded directly to the US, Porter said, "Obama was displaying atmospherics here far more than substance," adding that, "there really is nothing in the address that gives you a clue as to what change is going to be made in the US posture when they actually sit down with Iran."

Gareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.

Originally Posted by Horhey

YouTube - Iran responds to Obama

Obama's unprecedented greeting to Iran is met with an unprecedented response by Grand Ayatollah Khamenei

Real News

Investigative historian and journalist, Gareth Porter, speaks to Sharmini Peries about President Obama's Nowruz greeting to Iran. Noting the significance of this unprecedented move by the US government, and the saying that this is the first time the Iranian leader himself has responded directly to the US, Porter said, "Obama was displaying atmospherics here far more than substance," adding that, "there really is nothing in the address that gives you a clue as to what change is going to be made in the US posture when they actually sit down with Iran."

Gareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.

He reacted this way because he thinks that Obama is a pussy. He is disrespecting Obama, and Obama will take it because he is a pussy. He is spiting in our face. Lets bomb them back to the stone age where these murderous thugs deserve to be. Screw em.

Originally Posted by Tick

He reacted this way because he thinks that Obama is a pussy. He is disrespecting Obama, and Obama will take it because he is a pussy. He is spiting in our face. Lets bomb them back to the stone age where these murderous thugs deserve to be. Screw em.

Do you know what typical Iranians are like? They are very pro American. They like to party, smoke weed, and get layed. They listen to American music and watch American movies. They are not like what you see in Afghanistan. They have all the problems of a secular society - Drug addiction, aids etc. I promise you, if you saw how these people are you'd be less eager to "bomb them."

Their woman are hot too.

Originally Posted by Horhey

Do you know what typical Iranians are like? They are very pro American. They like to party, smoke weed, and get layed. They listen to American music and watch American movies. They are not like what you see in Afghanistan. They have all the problems of a secular society - Drug addiction, aids etc. I promise you, if you saw how these people are you'd be less eager to "bomb them."

Their woman are hot too.

All that is true, but their government sucks big time, thats who we have to deal with.

Originally Posted by Horhey

Do you know what typical Iranians are like? They are very pro American. They like to party, smoke weed, and get layed. They listen to American music and watch American movies. They are not like what you see in Afghanistan. They have all the problems of a secular society - Drug addiction, aids etc. I promise you, if you saw how these people are you'd be less eager to "bomb them."

Their woman are hot too.

This is true. They have a music scene and a great music history as well, complete with pop-stars and starry eye'd teenager followings.

Originally Posted by Tick

All that is true, but their government sucks big time, thats who we have to deal with.

The government merits severe condemnation on many counts, but the "Iranian threat" remains a desperate construction of those who arrogate to themselves the right to rule the world. I know you were or would've been one of those hesterical doctrinaires foaming at the mouth to bomb Iraq or support the Contras against Nicaragua becouse of the imaginary threat they posed to the imperial superpower.

Originally Posted by Horhey

The government merits severe condemnation on many counts, but the "Iranian threat" remains a desperate construction of those who arrogate to themselves the right to rule the world. I know you were or would've been one of those hesterical doctrinaires foaming at the mouth to bomb Iraq or support the Contras against Nicaragua becouse of the imaginary threat they posed to the imperial superpower.

Americans are also a fully modern people who's society represents a spectrum
of pleasures, intellectual exchanges, and technological advancements, but
under the Bush regime this nation was capable of opportunistic wars, torture,
electronic surveillance of our own people, and massive corruption. Such a
government is just as capable of taking a nation in whatever direction it desires
as Bush.

Your dismissal of the power structure in Iran is shot sighted, their government
is a religious theocracy based on an Islamic cult that worships the Mahdi or
"Twelfth Imam", an end of days messiah who appears during chaos. Such a
power structure is just as capable of taking a nation in the direction it wants
as Bush.

Originally Posted by Tick

He reacted this way because he thinks that Obama is a pussy. He is disrespecting Obama, and Obama will take it because he is a pussy. He is spiting in our face. Lets bomb them back to the stone age where these murderous thugs deserve to be. Screw em.

60 days on the job and you have him pegged as a pussy. Interesting. This olive branch was a token to let Iran know, we would be willing to talk. Khamenei's response is nothing but a standard tough guy ploy for the home guard. What is important is not how Khamenei responded, but that he responded in a public way directly responding to Obama Man's first move.

Iran is the least of our problems in the ME. No matter what we think of their form of government, they are running a very stable government. At this point, stability should be prized over instability. Besides, if I were to fantasize about who to fling bombs at, I would pick Saudia Arabia. In my opinion they have their fingers in more messes than the Iranians. And they are supposed to be our friends. But then that stable thing comes in. We should not be rocking it with threats of military action. Talking however costs nothing for either side to engage in.

Originally Posted by CRUM

60 days on the job and you have him pegged as a pussy. Interesting. This olive branch was a token to let Iran know, we would be willing to talk. Khamenei's response is nothing but a standard tough guy ploy for the home guard. What is important is not how Khamenei responded, but that he responded in a public way directly responding to Obama Man's first move.

Iran is the least of our problems in the ME. No matter what we think of their form of government, they are running a very stable government. At this point, stability should be prized over instability. Besides, if I were to fantasize about who to fling bombs at, I would pick Saudia Arabia. In my opinion they have their fingers in more messes than the Iranians. And they are supposed to be our friends. But then that stable thing comes in. We should not be rocking it with threats of military action. Talking however costs nothing for either side to engage in.

The Iranian leadership could care less about branches and tokens. They have a goal of destroying Israel ASAP. I have had Obama pegged as a leftist loser since Iowa. He has not disappointed, If any thing he has exceeded my wildest dreams of what leftist he is. Stable government, that wants to destroy a soverign state and commit genocide on an entire nation, do you leftists have no shame, or no intelligence, hard to tell. Iran is looking for time to build its arsenal, Russia is their ally who supports their efforts. Their are other things in play, but talking with the terrorist supportibg government of Iran is a waste of time. Bush had that part right.

Originally Posted by bla bla

Your dismissal of the power structure in Iran is shot sighted, their government
is a religious theocracy based on an Islamic cult that worships the Mahdi or
"Twelfth Imam", an end of days messiah who appears during chaos. Such a
power structure is just as capable of taking a nation in the direction it wants
as Bush.

The problem with this argument is that it's not true. The same propagandists that told you Iraq supported Al Qaeda and had WMD are the same people that are now telling you this. Experts within all 16 US intelligence agencies reported the opposite in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate.

The report concluded that Iran’s “decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military costs.�

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf


The consesus among other leading non government experts is the same..

"The recent history of Iran makes crystal clear that national self-preservation and regional influence - not some quest for martyrdom in the service of Islam - is Iran's main foreign policy goal.


For example:

• In the 1990s, Iran chose a closer relationship with Russia over support for rebellious Chechen Muslims.

• Iran actively supported and helped to finance the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.

• Iran has ceased its efforts to export the Islamic revolution to other Persian Gulf states, in favor of developing good relations with the governments of those states.

• During the Iran-Iraq War, Iran took the pragmatic step of developing secret ties and trading arms with Israel, even as Iran and Israel denounced each other in public."

American Foreign Policy Project