Thread: Russia Threatens Retaliation Against Israel

It doesn't look good for you this time, Israel...

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev (C) and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (4th L) sit at the State Security Council session at the presidential residence at the Black Sea resort of Sochi August 26, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, defying U.S. pressure, said on Tuesday he had signed a decree recognising two rebel regions of Georgia as independent states.




MOSCOW — Russian security officials threatened retaliation against Israel for its weapons exports to Georgia including eight different aerial drones. Russian Deputy Chief of Staff Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said Israel supplied at least eight different models of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to Georgia. Nogovitsyn said Israel has also sold a range of weapons and sought to export main battle tanks to Georgia.
Russian diplomatic sources said the government of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was furious over Israel's refusal to impose a military embargo on Georgia. The sources said Putin's aides had urged Israel several times to halt weapons exports.

"We asked Israel not to sell offensive weapons to a hostile neighboring state, but they said they're a sovereign state," a diplomatic source said.
"Well, Israel shouldn't be surprised if we sell offensive weapons to Israel's neighbors."

Already, Russia, in wake of its military victory over Georgia, has scheduled a summit with Syria to discuss offensive weapons sales, the sources said. Syrian President Bashar Assad was scheduled to meet Putin in Moscow on Aug. 20.

Tbilisi has asserted that Israel continued to ship weapons and platforms to Georgia throughout the Russian war. But Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili reported delays in the supply of Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to his country.
"The Israeli weapons have proved very effective," Saakashvili told a news conference on Aug. 13.
So far, the diplomatic sources said, Putin has been careful to limit Russian military sales to Iran and Syria to defensive systems. In 2007, they said, Putin, who remains in charge of defense export policy, vetoed efforts by the Defense Ministry and the state-owned arms agency Rosoboronexport to sell the Iskander-E long-range rocket to Syria.
"Putin will now offer Iskander to Syria," another Russian source said. "Whether this will be a serious offer or something just to scare the Israelis we'll know in another few months."

In December 2007, Israel agreed not to sign new contracts for offensive weapons to Georgia. But the Israeli Defense Ministry, supported by the United States, maintained it would honor existing arms deals with Tbilisi.

"We told the Israelis that this was a very unwise move and that Russians were being killed because of Georgia's policy," the Russian source said. "They didn't take us seriously, probably because they were encouraged by the United States."

"In 2007, Israeli experts trained Georgian commandos in Georgia, and there were plans to supply heavy weaponry, electronic weapons, tanks and other arms at a later date," Nogovitsyn told a news conference on Aug. 19. "But the deal didn't work out."
Officials said Moscow's assertion was based on a review of weapons and military installations captured in Russia's invasion of Georgia. They said Israel also trained Georgia's military, particularly its special forces.
At the news conference, Nogovitsyn did not identify the Israeli UAVs. Israel has acknowledged the sale of UAVs to Tbilisi.
The Russian deputy chief said Israel also exported bombs, mines and mine-clearing systems to Georgia. He said the systems were comprised of munitions that could explode landmines.
In late 2007, Israel agreed to end the sale of offensive military systems to Georgia. The decision by the Israeli Defense Ministry did not affect weapons already ordered by Tbilisi.
On Aug. 20, Russia and Syria were scheduled to begin a two-day summit meant to focus on defense and military cooperation. Syrian President Bashar Assad was scheduled to meet Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in what officials said could result in arms sales to Damascus.
"The significant military aid provided by Israel to Georgia in its war against Russia will affect in the future — probably in the near future — relations between Russia and Israel, as well as Russia's attitude toward Arab states," an unidentified Russian analyst said in an interview to Syrian state television on the eve of Assad's visit. "Russia will reassess its relations with Israel, and it is likely that Moscow will decide to increase its military aid to Arab countries in conflict with Israel, including Syria."

World Tribune — Russia threatens retaliation against Israel

Originally Posted by North Pole Resident

It doesn't look good for you this time, Israel...

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev (C) and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (4th L) sit at the State Security Council session at the presidential residence at the Black Sea resort of Sochi August 26, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, defying U.S. pressure, said on Tuesday he had signed a decree recognising two rebel regions of Georgia as independent states.




MOSCOW — Russian security officials threatened retaliation against Israel for its weapons exports to Georgia including eight different aerial drones. Russian Deputy Chief of Staff Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said Israel supplied at least eight different models of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to Georgia. Nogovitsyn said Israel has also sold a range of weapons and sought to export main battle tanks to Georgia.
Russian diplomatic sources said the government of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was furious over Israel's refusal to impose a military embargo on Georgia. The sources said Putin's aides had urged Israel several times to halt weapons exports.

"We asked Israel not to sell offensive weapons to a hostile neighboring state, but they said they're a sovereign state," a diplomatic source said.
"Well, Israel shouldn't be surprised if we sell offensive weapons to Israel's neighbors."

Already, Russia, in wake of its military victory over Georgia, has scheduled a summit with Syria to discuss offensive weapons sales, the sources said. Syrian President Bashar Assad was scheduled to meet Putin in Moscow on Aug. 20.

Tbilisi has asserted that Israel continued to ship weapons and platforms to Georgia throughout the Russian war. But Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili reported delays in the supply of Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to his country.
"The Israeli weapons have proved very effective," Saakashvili told a news conference on Aug. 13.
So far, the diplomatic sources said, Putin has been careful to limit Russian military sales to Iran and Syria to defensive systems. In 2007, they said, Putin, who remains in charge of defense export policy, vetoed efforts by the Defense Ministry and the state-owned arms agency Rosoboronexport to sell the Iskander-E long-range rocket to Syria.
"Putin will now offer Iskander to Syria," another Russian source said. "Whether this will be a serious offer or something just to scare the Israelis we'll know in another few months."

In December 2007, Israel agreed not to sign new contracts for offensive weapons to Georgia. But the Israeli Defense Ministry, supported by the United States, maintained it would honor existing arms deals with Tbilisi.

"We told the Israelis that this was a very unwise move and that Russians were being killed because of Georgia's policy," the Russian source said. "They didn't take us seriously, probably because they were encouraged by the United States."

"In 2007, Israeli experts trained Georgian commandos in Georgia, and there were plans to supply heavy weaponry, electronic weapons, tanks and other arms at a later date," Nogovitsyn told a news conference on Aug. 19. "But the deal didn't work out."
Officials said Moscow's assertion was based on a review of weapons and military installations captured in Russia's invasion of Georgia. They said Israel also trained Georgia's military, particularly its special forces.
At the news conference, Nogovitsyn did not identify the Israeli UAVs. Israel has acknowledged the sale of UAVs to Tbilisi.
The Russian deputy chief said Israel also exported bombs, mines and mine-clearing systems to Georgia. He said the systems were comprised of munitions that could explode landmines.
In late 2007, Israel agreed to end the sale of offensive military systems to Georgia. The decision by the Israeli Defense Ministry did not affect weapons already ordered by Tbilisi.
On Aug. 20, Russia and Syria were scheduled to begin a two-day summit meant to focus on defense and military cooperation. Syrian President Bashar Assad was scheduled to meet Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in what officials said could result in arms sales to Damascus.
"The significant military aid provided by Israel to Georgia in its war against Russia will affect in the future — probably in the near future — relations between Russia and Israel, as well as Russia's attitude toward Arab states," an unidentified Russian analyst said in an interview to Syrian state television on the eve of Assad's visit. "Russia will reassess its relations with Israel, and it is likely that Moscow will decide to increase its military aid to Arab countries in conflict with Israel, including Syria."

World Tribune — Russia threatens retaliation against Israel

What a joke they already sell to Israel's enemies. I say bring it don't sing it.
russia will regret any action against Israel.

North Pole President. You are bringing up very important and interesting articles. However, when people most articles they should make a responce on them. That is normally the proper way to post articles even if it is only a few sentences.

Putin and his lap dog Medvedev are doing nothing more than proving the criminal aggressive tendencies of the new Soviet Union.

Originally Posted by Bourne

Putin and his lap dog Medvedev are doing nothing more than proving the criminal aggressive tendencies of the new Soviet Union.

The way you love authoritarian rule and government intervention, you might just have a home in a new Soviet Union.

Now...it seems to me that there is a huge double standard here. We seem to want to criticize Russia for a lot. But let's look at a few things. We came down hard on Russia for it's war against Chechnya because Chechnya no longer wanted to be part of Russia. But now, we are supporting Georgia for trying to keep two republics from breaking away from Georgia! Is it me or is this some serious hypocrisy going on here! It's okay for Chechnya to secede from Russia but not okay of South Ossetia wants to secede from Georgia? WTF? If you ask me, the United States is sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong (what else is new) and is being hypocritical about it to boot!

Originally Posted by mjollnir

The way you love authoritarian rule and government intervention, you might just have a home in a new Soviet Union.

Now...it seems to me that there is a huge double standard here. We seem to want to criticize Russia for a lot. But let's look at a few things. We came down hard on Russia for it's war against Chechnya because Chechnya no longer wanted to be part of Russia. But now, we are supporting Georgia for trying to keep two republics from breaking away from Georgia! Is it me or is this some serious hypocrisy going on here! It's okay for Chechnya to secede from Russia but not okay of South Ossetia wants to secede from Georgia? WTF? If you ask me, the United States is sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong (what else is new) and is being hypocritical about it to boot!

How exactly did we "come down hard on Russia for Chechnya?"

Originally Posted by Bourne

How exactly did we "come down hard on Russia for Chechnya?"

We were publicly condemning the Russians and their war against Chechnya...almost daily The US government made it known that they condemned Russia for what they were doing in Chechnya.

Hey...that's as hard as we would come down back in the '90s. lol

Originally Posted by mjollnir

We were publicly condemning the Russians and their war against Chechnya...almost daily The US government made it known that they condemned Russia for what they were doing in Chechnya.

That's not coming down hard. I find it disengenuous that Georgia, the US and Israel are soundly castigated by a segment of this forum for Georgia's actions yet when I post that Russia has committed atrocities against civilians in Chechnya no one calls for Putin's head.

Now that is indeed a double standard.

Originally Posted by Bourne

That's not coming down hard. I find it disengenuous that Georgia, the US and Israel are soundly castigated by a segment of this forum for Georgia's actions yet when I post that Russia has committed atrocities against civilians in Chechnya no one calls for Putin's head.

Now that is indeed a double standard.

I agree. However, you won't hear too man people call for Putin's head because the Chechens are mostly muslims and their is much more muslim hate on this board than Zionist hate....you must admit that.

I do find it a bit strange that the US and Israel are so interested in Georgia and why are they so worried about South Ossetia seceding from Georgia?

Originally Posted by mjollnir

I agree. However, you won't hear too man people call for Putin's head because the Chechens are mostly muslims and their is much more muslim hate on this board than Zionist hate....you must admit that.

I won't admit that. There is no bright line. Indeed there seems to be much more individual tolerance on this board towards both muslim countries and Israel. Those who preach a bias towards either muslims or Israelis are fortunately in the distinct minority.

Originally Posted by mjollnir

I do find it a bit strange that the US and Israel are so interested in Georgia and why are they so worried about South Ossetia seceding from Georgia?

Perhaps because of Russia's return to a Soviet mentality and its expansionistic ambitions. Russia threatens NATO countries that were former Soviet satellites and it's making arrangement to base trrops in Syria, next to Israel.