Thread: Russia vs Zionist World.........

Originally Posted by Violet Crumble

Saying that Zionist Israelis were 'ravenous bloodthirsty terrorists' isn't stating fact, MMI. That's called an opinion, and it ranks right down there with other related opinions like 'Palestinians thrive on a culture of death' or 'Palestinians are bloodthirsty, murdering terrorists'. When being critical of either Palestinians or Israelis, people would be more inclined to listen if there's specifics and it doesn't sound like a rant against a parking inspector who's just slapped someone with a hefty fine...

When it comes to violence, that existed long before 1948, and long before the first suicide-bombing happened. And the violence wasn't a one-sided thing. The Hebron Massacre is one that stands out. What was that retribution for? If violence by Zionists is to be labelled as ravenous, bloodthirsty terrorism, then wouldn't that same description aptly apply to what was done to Jewish residents of Hebron in 1929?

Thank you Violet. It is bullshit to refer to Palestinians or Israelis or any human in general terms that tries to demonize them.

Blood thirsty is bullshit and its demonization and its this demonization that fuels conflicts. If we turn people into demons it makes it easy to kill them or torture them or treat them with brutality.

Dehuminization through demonization is precisely what MemselfandI is up to over and over again and the attempt to suggest its acceptable because it is only being used against Israelis is precisely the kind of bullshit I have come to expect.

Thank you again for your comments. Palestinians and Israelis are humans. They both find themselves in a conflict that challenges them equally and part of that challenge is in both people finding their faith and the strength to resist violence, anger and hatred.

It is also bullshit to try suggest even if you could prove one side started it, that justifies subsequent violence. Violence is wrong whoever engages in it for any reason. We all know that. Some of us try exploit it for partisan political purposes.

Oh by the way it is precisely your comments that will give Jewish people and Israelis and hopefully Palestinians and Muslims the courage to believe they can confront their own violent tendencies precisely because they know you will not use it to exploit them or take unfair advantage of them. Criticism when its equally balanced and refrains from demonizing people such as yours appeals to people's rational side. Believe that.

Originally Posted by caffeine

The problem being that the more you say it the way you say it, the less people will listen. Generalised delcarations about the evils of Zionist Israelis just makes you sound like a blind, unreasoning hate-monger. The way you characterise Zionists as an undifferentiated bloc of bloodthirsty maniacs just makes you sound like a bigot. Not all Zionists are the same. Take, as an example, this reaction - from a Zionist - to the Knesset ruling that Jewish National Fund land can be sold only to Jews (bearing in mind they passed this law because the Israeli Supreme Court, packed full of Zionist Jews as it is, had found in favour of an Arab Israeli and ruled that the JNF had to sell to non-Jewish citizens too):

"This bill reflects an abasement of the Zionist enterprise to lows never imagined in the Declaration of Independence. Even though the Jewish National Fund purchased the lands for the Jewish people in the Diaspora, the State of Israel has already been established and these lands must now serve all its citizens.

For those living for tomorrow and not the past, the aim is to create in Israel a healthy, progressive state where the needs of the two peoples should concern the leaders and legislators. The Jewish National Fund’s land policy counters the interests of the state and cannot discriminate by law against the minority living in Israel."


This is why people don't listen to you. In the real world, 'Israeli', 'Jew' and 'Zionist' all describe a variety of people with conflicting aims and sometimes wildly differing attitudes towards what is just, wise and practical. This repetitive insistence that all Zionist Israelis think this and do that is no different to the endless, non-distinguishing rants we hear about evil Palestinians.

Thank you for your comments. See my response to Violet. Same apply to you. I appreciate the two of you seeing 2 sides to this and other conflicts and refraining from demonizing people. You know I take great heart in what you both said and believe very much what you two said and you know I am talking about the demonization of any human.