Thread: Oil kills

Originally Posted by sitting bull

doing very well ? All agents of the new state face assassination as a matter of course - it might have been relevantly easy to install a new state security apparatus in a country if it had the support of the populace , however in iraq support is dispirate and localised typical of a society that has strong tribal affiliations.

People came out in amazing numbers and voted. they remain happy that Saddam was ousted from power and they do not want the US military to leave yet. However the phased withdrawal will happen and the USA will have bases in Iraq if the government invites us to stay.

Originally Posted by justoneman

People came out in amazing numbers and voted. they remain happy that Saddam was ousted from power and they do not want the US military to leave yet. However the phased withdrawal will happen and the USA will have bases in Iraq if the government invites us to stay.

Yes we are all familiar with the word.... PROPERGANDA
No one really knows whats going on....
Other than America has dug itself in to deep...
Its up to its neck in shit not oil...
While China keeps moving on.

Originally Posted by justoneman

People came out in amazing numbers and voted. they remain happy that Saddam was ousted from power and they do not want the US military to leave yet. However the phased withdrawal will happen and the USA will have bases in Iraq if the government invites us to stay.

Wow... you cling onto Fox's frontpage news for years on end, don't ya?
C'mon JOM, keep up... the rest of the country caught on to the crap years ago....

Originally Posted by Rusty Kane

Yes we are all familiar with the word.... PROPERGANDA
No one really knows whats going on....
Other than America has dug itself in to deep...
Its up to its neck in shit not oil...
While China keeps moving on.

The surge has been amazingly affective. We have been handing over control of provinces in Iraq more and more. The real propaganda is that you do not hear about that. You do not hear about the amazing strides the Iraqi military has made to becomming self sufficent. There is your propaganda. Good news is squashed.

Originally Posted by justoneman

The surge has been amazingly affective.

I agree... lotsa families of the dead are feeling the affection!

Originally Posted by justoneman

You do not hear about the amazing strides the Iraqi military has made to becomming self sufficent.

...and whatever became of Cinderella and that handsome Prince?
You don't hear shit out of those two anymore either.

Originally Posted by sitting bull

If oil had not been discovered their would be hundreds of millions more people alive today . This black gold is more lethal than an arsenal of loaded guns in the hands of an iraqi suicide squad . Oil has spurred the seizure of lands and the destruction of whole cultures throughout the decades . Am i not entitled to continue this fine tradition and liqidate my local garage attendants when im charged 22 dollars for just a third of a gallon ? and why wont they sell us a barrel ? Can someone explain why goons who target convenience stores take the cigarettes which are low value and leave the racks of precious oil ? When every well in the world runs dry the world will be a safer place .

I understand what you are getting at; however, I disagree with your post. Oil does not kill. Following your logic, we should not have discovered gold because of all the fighting and killing over it that occurred and we should never have invented the internet since it is to blame for the terrible things that online predators do. I could go on and on with examples of placing the focus of our blame on non-living, inanimate items. Why are you trying to blame inanimate objects for something PEOPLE do?

When the oil runs out, it is likely some other source of energy will be used to replace it. People will also likely fight over it so who is to say whether the world will be safer.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I understand what you are getting at; however, I disagree with your post. Oil does not kill. Following your logic, we should not have discovered gold because of all the fighting and killing over it that occurred and we should never have invented the internet since it is to blame for the terrible things that online predators do. I could go on and on with examples of placing the focus of our blame on non-living, inanimate items. Why are you trying to blame inanimate objects for something PEOPLE do?

When the oil runs out, it is likely some other source of energy will be used to replace it. People will also likely fight over it so who is to say whether the world will be safer.

I take your point - dont shoot the messenger - more people would be alive today if tobacco or motorcars had not existed etc .. good point however oil has delivered great technological progress and enriched all of our lives , but at a terrible cost . Too high .

Originally Posted by sitting bull

I take your point - dont shoot the messenger - more people would be alive today if tobacco or motorcars had not existed etc .. good point however oil has delivered great technological progress and enriched all of our lives , but at a terrible cost . Too high .

I thought this is what you were trying to say. I apologize if I came across too harshly. I agree that many have died because of greed over oil. Although, just because people have died because of greed over any valuable item does not give us reason to say “we would have been better off without this item”. Unfortunately, greed is something that has and will always be around. The only thing we can do is hold those people accountable for killing/wounding others over valuable items, whatever they are, while still advancing and improving the quality of our lives.

Originally Posted by justoneman

People came out in amazing numbers and voted. they remain happy that Saddam was ousted from power and they do not want the US military to leave yet. However the phased withdrawal will happen and the USA will have bases in Iraq if the government invites us to stay.

This idyllic picture you paint of families of happy flag waving independent smiling iraqis is laughable - you should be warm up on jay leno . You are a gang member and your colors are the shades of non-consequence - in essence you dont want nor would you want to be convinced of any other version of events other than that of fellow gang members - loyalty is your ID , comments on civil war in the middle east demand honesty not patronage .

I bet you if you swallow oil it will indeed kill you.