Thread: Gender Equality

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Does gender equality really exist?

As a woman this question arises in my head all the time and every time the answer is no. However, I've been told on several occasions by different men, that we women are just being silly, and that we have already obtained freedom, but because we are so caught up in this feminist struggle, we can't let it go.

I don't believe that this is true.

For instance if I were to marry an Arab and move to Saudi Arabia, it would not matter whether I originally had western values, a job, or a career. My husband will simply tell me, you are in my country now, and now you have to abide by our rules. There will be no debate, and I'd simply have to bow my head and adhere.

Another example, is in my country, a woman has last choice when it comes to employment. If I applied for the same position as a male, regardless of my credentials, the man will get the job instead of me, because it is set up that way in our constitution.

It's astounding how few things have actually changed. Yeah, women have more civil liberties than before, but that isn't worth much if women still have to fight, to stop the violence and abuses against them.

I wonder whether the changes in the last 200 years, can really be seen as the transition to gender equality?

P.S. If this thread is in the wrong category, please move it

But I must warn you, I will take it as a direct insult on my citizenship at PH, and I might just be so hurt, that I'll be compelled to leave :dramaqueen:

Here in the states you girls have more rights then men.

Originally Posted by Horseshoeing

Here in the states you girls have more rights then men.

Until you have their legs wrapped behind their heads....

Originally Posted by Kanabi

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Another example, is in my country, a woman has last choice when it comes to employment. If I applied for the same position as a male, regardless of my credentials, the man will get the job instead of me, because it is set up that way in our constitution.

Huh? The 1996 consitution? Where?

I certainly think at least here in the US there have been great strides towards gender equality in the last century. However, total gender equality does not exist and I am not sure that it ever will.Women are just looked at as the weaker sex. There are some laws in place to help make sure that women are not discriminated against, but in some people's minds that is a bias in itself.

Originally Posted by Latherty

Huh? The 1996 consitution? Where?

Well it's a little someting called the Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) Act - that prevents white people from owning businesses without a black partner. As well as controls who will get a job and who won't based on race and gender. FYI - the Tripartate Alliance has already passed the revised constitution through the 2 houses, all that is necessary is for it to be promulgated.

I certainly think at least here in the US there have been great strides towards gender equality in the last century. However, total gender equality does not exist and I am not sure that it ever will.Women are just looked at as the weaker sex. There are some laws in place to help make sure that women are not discriminated against, but in some people's minds that is a bias in itself.

As expected doc! You get it. Just because there is a general acceptance in the US, it doesn't necessarily mean, it is that way everywhere else. I just find it amazing that people outside the US and Europe tend to forget this.

Originally Posted by Kanabi

No it was amended to include the Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) Act.

So hang on, are you saying black people get preference and these happen to be men?

Originally Posted by Latherty

So hang on, are you saying black people get preference and these happen to be men?

Yip, in South Africa, the first person in line for the job is a Black man, then a black woman, then the other minorities, and then white man, and white woman. I wasn't actually going to lean into the whole white vs black thing, I was trying to point out that the man get's the job before the woman does, but it looks like it can't be helped.

Originally Posted by Kanabi

Yip, in South Africa, the first person in line for the job is a Black man, then a black woman, then the other minorities, and then white man, and white woman. I wasn't actually going to lean into the whole white vs black thing, I was trying to point out that the man get's the job before the woman does, but it looks like it can't be helped.

Doesw the Black Empowerment Act actually put black men in front of balck women, or is that more of a social effect?

I have a sister and growing up I realized that not only are we a different gender, we are a different species.. thus we were treated different. My main concern with this is that women, commonly, get treated worse than men.

Imagine that, the giver of life held beneath the worker bee. Could this be a clue of all that which makes us fucked up as a race? You betcha.

Since there isn't equality between men and women, and there never will be, I think women should get the credit they deserve as the stronger of the two genders.