Thread: Pakistan, the nuclear menace

Hello All,

I was looking at a scenario as to what would happen if the United States or Israel were to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. I found an interesting article dated about two years ago outlining a possible scenario. It involves a nuclear strike being carried out by Pakistan against Israel.

I have attached a link to the article

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_09_13/article.html

That is a scary *shudders* scenario.

Pakistan is the very reason WHY Iran has nukes anyways. I wonder why the Americans (Cheney) rally around General Musharaff! His government dealt with the North Koreans for the transfer of missile technology in exchange for nukes. So here we have an 'ally in the war against terror' being a country run under the shariah law... declared muslim and sold nukes to two of the 'axis of evil' candidates.

Am I the only one to see this or the Americans are seriously short-sighted in their foreign policy?!

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Am I the only one to see this or the Americans are seriously short-sighted in their foreign policy?!

Nope! America has been seriously short-sighted in its foreign policy since 1776. It's the American Way!

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Pakistan is the very reason WHY Iran has nukes anyways. I wonder why the Americans (Cheney) rally around General Musharaff! His government dealt with the North Koreans for the transfer of missile technology in exchange for nukes. So here we have an 'ally in the war against terror' being a country run under the shariah law... declared muslim and sold nukes to two of the 'axis of evil' candidates.

Am I the only one to see this or the Americans are seriously short-sighted in their foreign policy?!

Pakistan is playing both sides, which includes pandering to and harboring the Al-Qaeda crowd....oddly after 9/11 didn't W say that he was going to "deal" with ANY country that was caught harboring the terrorists....funny then that W hasn't "dealt" with Pakistan.

Pakistan is a danger and isn't really an "ally".

W and Cheney keep saying that "freedom and democracy" and "free and fair elections" are important....I suppose they just deliberately ignore the fact that Musharraf seized power in Pakistan via a coup, and then had a rigged election where he got nearly 80% of the vote.

Originally Posted by ...of J.Temperance

Pakistan is playing both sides, which includes pandering to and harboring the Al-Qaeda crowd....oddly after 9/11 didn't W say that he was going to "deal" with ANY country that was caught harboring the terrorists....funny then that W hasn't "dealt" with Pakistan.

Pakistan is a danger and isn't really an "ally".

W and Cheney keep saying that "freedom and democracy" and "free and fair elections" are important....I suppose they just deliberately ignore the fact that Musharraf seized power in Pakistan via a coup, and then had a rigged election where he got nearly 80% of the vote.

I think the moment US completes it's business in Afghanistan, they should serious pelt it and rid it of it's nukes.

Pakistan IS NATO's (not the US's) problem in Afghanistan. That's the problem. One of our members is continuously allying itself with the worlds worts butchers and then we all get to face the conseqauences of it.

US allies with Bin Ladden to fight Soveits, the result is Afghanistan
US allies with Saddam to fight Iran, the result is Saddam
US allies with Saudi Arabia to fight Saddam, the result is 9-11
US allies with Pakistan to fight Bin Ladden after 9-11, the result is..... well we can all see this coming.

Everyone can see this coming. The whole world can see this coming. Every time anyone in the US government opens his mouth they are talking about 'we cant give in to dictators, we must fight dictators, we must not support dictators.... and then go about their daily business of installing, funding, arming, training, befriending and encouraging the worlds worst, most violent, unstable dictators.

Cut it out already!

Originally Posted by Desidude666

Pakistan is the very reason WHY Iran has nukes anyways. I wonder why the Americans (Cheney) rally around General Musharaff! His government dealt with the North Koreans for the transfer of missile technology in exchange for nukes. So here we have an 'ally in the war against terror' being a country run under the shariah law... declared muslim and sold nukes to two of the 'axis of evil' candidates.

Am I the only one to see this or the Americans are seriously short-sighted in their foreign policy?!

No, and no. The US works with Mooshariff (?whatev) because the alternatives in Pakland are worse. If General Mushy goes, he'll be replaced by someone that thinks Osama bin Laden is cool.

That's why. It's incredibly short sighted for the whiners to whine and not see this simple fact.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

No, and no. The US works with Mooshariff (?whatev) because the alternatives in Pakland are worse. If General Mushy goes, he'll be replaced by someone that thinks Osama bin Laden is cool.

That's why. It's incredibly short sighted for the whiners to whine and not see this simple fact.

And Mushariff's days are numbered. He is unpopular with the masses in his country and they have tried to off him more than once. When the day comes he will not be replaced with a friend of the USA, what then?

It's incredibly short sighted for the whiners to whine and not see this simple fact

US allies with Bin Ladden to fight Soveits, the result is Afghanistan

The alternative was a new Soviet satellite state that would give the Red Army access to the south eastern flank of Iran, and thereby access to the Middle East.

Initiating aid to the freedom fighters in Afghanistan was one of only two things Carter did right. And now you guys knock that.

(the other was Camp David Egypt-Isreali peace accords, that still hold today).

US allies with Saddam to fight Iran, the result is Saddam.

The alternative was a militant Iran that would have annexed Iraq and controlled the majority of the world's oil, or a collusion in terrorism between Iraq and Iran that would have been disastrous. Getting the two children to fight each other while the US took care of defeating the Evil Empire was the correct thing to do at that time.

US allies with Saudi Arabia to fight Saddam, the result is 9-11

The alternative would have been to leave the Saudi oil fields vulnerable to attack from Iraq, which was no longer pre-occupied with fighting Iran. Again, this would have threatened global energy sources and threatened the world economy.

And no, the result was not September 11th, not in the sense that it was either predictable or inevitable.

Got to say Chavez has got balls.US allies with Pakistan to fight Bin Ladden after 9-11, the result is..... well we can all see this coming.

The alternative to not dealing with Pakistan for overflight authority was violation Pak airspace and the political fallout from that. Again, the alternatives were all worse.

Everyone can see this coming. The whole world can see this coming. Every time anyone in the US government opens his mouth they are talking about 'we cant give in to dictators, we must fight dictators, we must not support dictators.... and then go about their daily business of installing, funding, arming, training, befriending and encouraging the worlds worst, most violent, unstable dictators.

In every case you listed, Surrendering would have resulted in worse consequences for the free world.

As I've shown, in the real world, nations act between alternatives, none of which may be palatable. The US under Roosevelt had to ally itself with Stalin to defeat Germany because Britain had been too stupid to do just that at an earlier time when such an alliance could have prevented Hitler from starting WWII. Was the US evil for working with Stalin? No. Is Gen Mushy worse than Stalin? Absolutely not.

Are the biggest threats to global security a nucelar armed Iran, or a wimpy surrnender monkey dominated Western civilization? Of course, the Surrender Monkeys are the bigger threat, but the only effective way to deal with them is to never surrender to them in their Surrendering.