Thread: Is It Just Me Or Does Bush Make No Sense?

Recent article by NY times; here is some excerpts from the article:

"Mr. Bush told the American Legion convention in Salt Lake City that the terrorists who attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, have much in common with the suicide bombers of Baghdad and the Hezbollah militants who rain rockets on Israel."

"Whatever their ethnic or religious differences, Mr. Bush said, they are united in their wish “to turn back the advance of freedom, and impose a dark vision of tyranny and terror across the world.”



So apparently they are different...yet the same.I assume he means they are the same because they hate freedom. Or because they are both dead. Wait for it folks...



"Yet Mr. Bush acknowledged that the United States must assume some blame for the smoldering resentments in the region. “For a half-century, America’s primary goal in the Middle East was stability,” he said, recalling the cold war era. “This was understandable at the time.” But Washington’s support of anti-communist dictators was accompanied by growing despair and radicalism, he said, alluding to the seizure of Americans at the United States Embassy in Iran after the pro-American but dictatorial Shah of Iran was overthrown."



So those damn terrorists and their hatred of freedom, putting Saddam and the Shah in power....they must be stopped!


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“And the unifying feature of this movement, the link that spans sectarian divisions and local grievances, is the rigid conviction that free societies are a threat to their twisted view of Islam,” Mr. Bush said."


"Seeking to disarm critics who say that the administration has bungled the war in Iraq, Mr. Bush said he and his commanders are united in their resolve for victory yet flexible enough to adapt tactics to changing conditions. But he said the war, in Iraq and against terrorism generally, will not be won by military might alone."


"That September morning brought to the United States “a war we didn’t ask for, but a war we must wage, and a war we will win,” Mr. Bush said.


And if the United States tires of fighting in the streets of Baghdad, he said, “we will face the terrorists in the streets of our own cities.”"


“So the United States will not leave until victory is achieved,” Mr. Bush said, warning that more sacrifice lies ahead and that the struggle will be a long one.



So let me get this straight...
'Islamofacism' is an ideaology that we created, because we supported anti-communist dictators against the communists.
We have a 'long war', or a 'war on terror', whichever you want to call it, in order to defeat this ideology.

If we do not go out and 'win' in Iraq, there will be terrorists in our cities, and Islamofacists will have won.


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How do you 'win' a war, yet agressivly go out and try to destroy a religion/ideaology? (I use the word religion because it is a form of religion - there is no central person that has control over it, it has a set of core beliefs. Call it ideaology, whatever, i call militant islam a religion - a branch of Islam).
How do you win over the hearts and minds of people, yet have a history of suppressing those people?
Lastly, what would 'winning' look like?

Yuck, I hate this quote the most:
"Whatever their ethnic or religious differences, Mr. Bush said, they are united in their wish “to turn back the advance of freedom, and impose a dark vision of tyranny and terror across the world.”

Originally Posted by Jbird

Yuck, I hate this quote the most:
"Whatever their ethnic or religious differences, Mr. Bush said, they are united in their wish “to turn back the advance of freedom, and impose a dark vision of tyranny and terror across the world.”

I can see your issue with some of the other quotes, but what is wrong with this one? Seems fairly accurate to me, even though its a bit dramatized.

Where is the sense in it...AT ALL? I have never heard a terrorist say they are attacking the US because they hate freedom...

What have you heard them say!?

Originally Posted by Feslin

What have you heard them say!?

I believe Osama bin Laden has made quite a few televised speeches and I have yet to hear anything that has to do with hating freedom.

Originally Posted by Jbird

I believe Osama bin Laden has made quite a few televised speeches and I have yet to hear anything that has to do with hating freedom.

You are lumping OBL in to a group with all islamic militants. Radical Islam dictates that all infidels (that you, I assume, and I) convert or die, there is one end to jihad and that is to eliminate all non muslims.

Bin Laden isn't the only terrorist on the Earth, nor do all terrorists agree with his views.

Damnit, I need to stop saying terrorist. I hate the term...

Originally Posted by Sparta

You are lumping OBL in to a group with all islamic militants. Radical Islam dictates that all infidels (that you, I assume, and I) convert or die, there is one end to jihad and that is to eliminate all non muslims.

How did I do that? The quote is talking about terrorists not radical muslims.

Originally Posted by Feslin

Bin Laden isn't the only terrorist on the Earth, nor do all terrorists agree with his views.

Damnit, I need to stop saying terrorist. I hate the term...

Did I ever say he was? I gave you an example of a terrorist who I have heard condemn the US with no talk at all of being against freedom. How bout both of you stop attacking what I say and start backing up what you think?

Sparta, if you think the quote is accurate, give an example of a terrorist or even a islamo-fascist that has said they want to get rid of other countries' freedom.

Feslin, not sure what your point is exactly, but if you have a problem with what I said then let me know and I can defend it.

You seem to think they don't hate freedom, but they DO. To them, it's all about constricting freedom of religion.

OBL doesn't represent all of them, he's a peace in the bigger puzzle.

And about the term 'terrorist', today it is usually meant to mean 'Islamo Fascist', thus I hate the term.