Thread: The War In Iraq

one of the reasons i joined this sight was to see if anyone out there is aware of the positive effects we are having on iraq. i get to dabble from time to time but lets get down to it

does anyone see anything we are doing that they would consider worth while and could paint a picture other than soldiers killing iraqi civilians for sport

Sorry ssgiceman, I personally see the world turning against the U.S becuase of our Imerialistic agendas. It's obvious this war was a lie. Nothing personal, I know you guys are just following orders, but Iraq is a greed driven war. Not to worry though, You guys won't recieve the resentment that the Vietnam vets did. ~Inkster

does anyone see anything we are doing that they would consider worth while and could paint a picture other than soldiers killing iraqi civilians for sport

You wont recieve any positive feedback from me the crimes committed by the United States against the Iraqi people are enough to maintain the collective guilt of the entire military forces.

I don't think it's fair to have any anger towards most of our troops. I have talked to soldiers that are trying to make a positive difference whether they think the war is bull or not. I have also talked to soldiers who puff up their chest when they get to talk about how they shot someone over there or pistol-whipped a civilian who did not agree with our occupation. For the ones who are trying to make good of a negative experience: I support you but wish you were here instead of there. For the ones who take advantage of their power and treat Iraqi civilians like dogs: you're just as bad as the terrorists.

I see plenty of positives. The Iraqi people are free from tyranny. The Elections were proof of that by allowing the people to vote in a democratic held election choosing a goverment of their liking for the first time. Also the Oilfields are in control by the democratic elected officials as well as money can be spread thru the region. Free press and freedom of speech is now available. Children in schools can be taught things they were not allowed to learn before. Women have voices now. There is no oppression anymore. It will take time to get things resolved but taking Saddam out and imposing our democracy on the country was the right thing to do. We now have a established foothold in the region incase Tehran tries to do something it will regret. Anyway are there Positives? Yes there are plenty. American Soldiers should be commended because they are the living proof of the American Value System that walks the streets among the Iraqi citizens and are our true ambassadors of freedom.

ssgicman,

Yes, I can see the positive effects we're having in Iraq, and I respect every person of the armed forces. You included. It's not your fault you have a politician as Commander in Chief who probably never even picked up an M-16 much less qualified on the Weapon at a range.

You won't see any negative rhetoric from me.

But you're hired to do a job. You have to follow orders, and no military action is 'good' for anyone. Look what we had to do to get rid of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 40's. It was not a pleasent, civil disagreement.

My main concern is for you and your men. Once again, they are not empowering your units and/or not following the lessons from the last world war. I know about the terrorist training camps you guys been busting down close to the borders of Syria and Pakistan. But they have not been setting up their own long term bases on those very spots, or at least, sophisticated electronics for surveilance.

The older and extremely effective way to deal with an enemy was three steps.

1. Identification.
2. Infiltration.
3. Elimination.

Identifying your enemy is one of the hardest things your men and allies over in Iraq have a hard time with. They dress like civilians and talk like civilians, then before you know it, someone is detonating themselves. When you guys do find a hardsite, you swarm it and put it out of commission. It would be nice if your intelligence units could drop some ears for 24 to 48 hours before hand and listen to the intel. Even drop ears, tap the outgoing lines if possible, and then a soft touch to get them stirred up. Off a single sentry and listen. From what I hear, that strategy isn't used anymore.

Infiltration comes with the electronic based surveilance, and those skilled enough to utilize role cameoflag. If you don't know what that is, you have been done a huge dis-service.

Elimination only comes after the first two have been gleaned as well as possible. Sometimes, you get everything you need to know in seconds. Minutes. But sometimes, it can take days, even from an enemy who have to move multiple times in one day.

And it doesn't help at all when foriegn fighters come to the aide of the insuregents.

You have my gratitude for going into this war even though I will never agree to how your commander in chief has implimented it. Several Generals has even spoken out and wanted Rumsfeld to resign, but they made sure it was after they retired. It doesn't reflect on you nor your leaders for having to wait till a moment their careers are out of Rumsfeld's crosshairs.


Good luck, and may God go with you over there.

I see plenty of positives. The Iraqi people are free from tyranny.

Only to have that tyranny replaced by another dictator half a world away.

The Elections were proof of that by allowing the people to vote in a democratic held election choosing a goverment of their liking for the first time.

An American friendly government.

Also the Oilfields are in control by the democratic elected officials as well as money can be spread thru the region.

Or spread into America's pockets which has been happening.

Free press and freedom of speech is now available.

Free propoganda is available (U.S paying Iraqi newspapers to run articles portraying them in a positive light).

As far as free speech goes that is debatable.

Children in schools can be taught things they were not allowed to learn before.

Sure they can learn about how Imperialism is the answer to their problems that is of course when their schools are not caught in the crossfire between American and Iraqi fighters.

Women have voices now.

This is perhaps the only positive about a war based on lies.

There is no oppression anymore.

Unless it's American.

It will take time to get things resolved but taking Saddam out and imposing our democracy on the country was the right thing to do.

Having trouble shrugging off Manifest Destiny syndrom?

We now have a established foothold in the region incase Tehran tries to do something it will regret.

Now we are getting to the truth the importance of the Iraqi people takes a backseat to American aggression.

Anyway are there Positives? Yes there are plenty.

I'm not convinced and neither is the majority of the world.

American Soldiers should not be commended

I dont share your view here American soldiers have a collective guilt for the atrocities in Iraq as does the Bush administration and anyone who supports the war.

because they are the living proof of the American Value System that walks the streets among the Iraqi citizens and are our true ambassadors of freedom.

If you were trying to pull the wool over our eyes you failed horribly

I thought it was a good idea at the time (invading Iraq), with or without public proof of WMD's. Saddam was torturing and bullying his people, just because it's not our country doesn't mean we should (morally) sit back and watch it happen. He was a danger to the rest of the world, and his own people for reasons other than WMD's.

Knowing what I know now, I think it was still a good idea to invade Iraq and remove their dictator. However, I think we've really botched up the whole rebuilding thing and are doing more harm than good (international wise) over there. Someone needs to re-draw the gameplan over there, execute it promptly and accurately, and get the hell out before we dig a further hole with the international community.

Originally Posted by Orthodox Marxist

I dont share your view here American soldiers have a collective guilt for the atrocities in Iraq as does the Bush administration and anyone who supports the war.

Your Views are anti-American as your hatred for the American Democratic System shows. American Troops are proud to be serving there country as you are trying to impose the Stalinistic Propaganda Machine that isn't working. Also you quoted me above as saying "American soldiers should not be commended" I never stated that. More propaganda word twisting. I tell you what and that is General George S. Patton was right about the Communist Soviets in 1944 that they would be a menace to the world. Our military leaders should have listened to him and supported him in wanting to go into Russia and conquer the Soviet Military and destroy communism for it would have not bred Ideals that Marxist Orthodox believes in which is Anti-American. Calling our President a dictator is also unAmerican. The United States Democracy will always prevail as our American Society will be a model for the world to follow.

SSGiceman, I can see the good you and your fellow troops are doing. Keep your head up and be safe. I for one am thankful for your courage and your service to my country. Keep up the good work.