Thread: Hillary for President?

Not by my vote! ~Inky

Clinton is all for an extended American stay in Iraq. She “takes responsibility” for her vote on the war, but won’t admit that it was wrong. And of course, Clinton is still for “winning” this war. Whatever that means.

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She's trying to show that she's not way over to the left--which is an absurd assumption to begin with. She wants to win over middle America, a feet I don't think she is capable of.

I think it would be suicide for the Democrats to nominate her in '08, she cannot win.

Al Gore...we need ya brotha!

Hi.

Totally new here. I've tired of my other political sites where there is too much verbage freed from give and take. So much polarization! I'm hoping this place might be better.

The topic:

Other than name recognition and the "nostalgia" angle, what does she really bring vis a vis what the people wants? She'd have little trouble raising the money [that curse of poltical independence], and after her health care ideas of 1992 were crushed, she and Bill seemed to learn to play along to get along [as if they hadn't before]. Bill brought us a very bag NAFTA and WTO etc agreements, and took the Reagan/Bush I merger mania to new heights.

As anyone read Kevin Phillep's book on the Bush Dynasty? He argues there that almost all "restorations" going back into the War of the Roses or so, are failures, as reality never matches the nostolgic expectactions of the proponents, and the opponents have not forgotten everything they hated about the earlier one. better to bring in a fresh new person who can be judged wihout all that baggage.

That said, I'd love to see a qualified woman get the job, and Hillary is indeed well qualified, which is a separate issue from how much I agree or disagree with her policies and strategy.

The base is way to the left of Hillary, and another centrist may suppress turnout as more of the same old same old.

But Inky, maybe she is not like her husband. People are different even when they are called the same. I think you should givi it a try, she's a leftist woman!

But I'm a Constitutionalist American. The two teams that make up this country both suck. They're driven by greed. Anyone that supports this illegal war won't get my support. My mom voted for Mickey Mouse in the late 50's. I' m considering doing the same in 08. ~Inky

LOL

So it seems you are like me, voting people that will never win...

I don't think she has a chance, I know many who typically vote for Democratics but can't stand her. I think the Dems' only chance for the whitehouse is Barak Obama. He's good looking guy, with clintion like charisma, and he has a pretty moderate position. Well, I take that back, if Jeb Bush runs, the Dems will have a fair shot with anyone.

I don't think there are any good politicians for the 2006 election. Especially Hillary. But if I had to choose, I would love Rudi to take office.

Hillary knows nothing of politics.

Well, I may get in the hotseat for this one, but aside from politics and all, I don't think we're ready for a female president yet. Give it another decade and that could be a possibility, but not now.
Purrs,
Pookie

There is no reason to vote for candidates who can't win. Look at the political realities of the time and act intelligently, accordingly. In this country, there is zero chance that anyone other than a Democrat or a Republican will win the presidency, and only the slightest hope of they might win even a governorship or a seat in Congress.

So...?

So join one of the parties and participate. Get involved in the primaries, before it's too late to have any say in who the next president will be. If the parties aren't doing what you think they should, guess what? That's because YOU DON'T VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES. You are not telling them what to do, so they are doing whatever the hell they want. It isn't even complicated.

Whatever you do, please, please, don't just throw your vote up in the air on nothing when the main election rolls around and pat yourself on the back. You are doing only the bare minimum of your civic duty, and you do not get to feel good about yourself for that. Either get involved in advance and see if you can fight to get your alternative party into the game for real, or get involved in the ones that are already players and start shaping their policy with your votes.

That, or stay quiet and lay in the bed that you are making for yourself with your passivity. Moderate, reasonable Americans could completely transform this country in a decade if all such people started to participate a little more actively in the entire political process, instead of just trapsing off to the polls once every four years to do the equivalent of putting a quarter into the homeless guy's cup: buying off their consciences, guilty over the fact that they are not doing their civic duty. As it stands now, the choices have already been made by the main election, and moderate voters effectively cancel themselves out across the two evils they are disgusted to see on the ballot for yet another presidential election. The decisions are made by party leaders, who easily manipulate the non-moderate voters with rhetoric and red herrings. If you are a person who can resist their rhetoric and non-issues, if you are disgusted by their tactics and by what they seem to represent, then you are exactly the type of person we need to join their party and vote in the primaries. Walking away in disgust is exactly what those party leaders need you to do in order to maintain their control over the situation.