Thread: Ron Paul's Track Record

Originally Posted by Djinn

Another responsibility of congressmen is writing bills, and garnering support to get them passed. I'm not saying this is easy - it's quite difficult. But when you're in the Oval Office, it's expected of you.

What does it say about Paul when he tries to get the fed a good clean audit then can't. You think that is Paul's fault? I will go one further, what does it say when Paul and a couple others stood in the way of TARP and that bailout that you still call HCR, yet they can't garner support? It that them that failed, or the majority? I believe you know what I think.

This isn't a high school popularity contest Djinn, this is peoples lives and livelihood we are discussing here. You turn it into some sort of game show.

BTW I waited years to say this, it should be "The Djinn". Good grief...hahaha

Originally Posted by michaelr

What does it say about Paul when he tries to get the fed a good clean audit then can't. You think that is Paul's fault?

Consider this. You also wanted to get the fed a good clean audit too. And your efforts were no more successful than Ron Paul's. There's nothing wrong with Paul's ideals... The problem is that he's not much better than you at getting them past the "ideal" stage.

Originally Posted by Mordent

The way obamacare was passed was as much of a travesty as the bill itself. Not the best example, IMO. Not to mention, obama had little to no input in it. If Ron Paul has to use similar skills- bribery, coercion, deceipt- I'd rather not have him as POTUS.

Then I fear your wish shall be granted. Because for all his integrity, he doesn't stand a hope in hell of being nominated, much less elected president.

Originally Posted by Djinn

Consider this. You also wanted to get the fed a good clean audit too. And your efforts were no more successful than Ron Paul's. There's nothing wrong with Paul's ideals... The problem is that he's not much better than you at getting them past the "ideal" stage.

You know why? We the slave, and our congresspersons who are helping us don't mean shit. Now had I helped run a petition to allow the feds to create more money out of thin air, then the entire senate, congress and the fucking administration would be on board, all but Paul and maybe Kucinich. Those crazy bastards hey?!

Sometime....nay I say....most of the time, no new laws is good new laws.

Originally Posted by Djinn

Then I fear your wish shall be granted. Because for all his integrity, he doesn't stand a hope in hell of being nominated, much less elected president.

People blinded by their own dogma said that exact same thing about african americans at one time.

Paul wasn't the most popular person, nor ever will be. He didn't and doesn't have a lot of mover and shaker friends in his profession.

Yes, I'm citing that as a reason for his low numbers. Speculation at best, but eh.

However as POTUS, I expect much of the same as that. Similar to Obama, where his not democrat, not republican demeanor makes him somewhat unpopular. But in contrast they are on 2 different sides of the world experiencing the same thing.

Originally Posted by Djinn

Like he did with health care reform. Regardless of your personal opinions on that piece of legislation, Obama had to rely on many people to get it through. Ron Paul isn't going to be able to achieve any sort of changes if he can't demonstrate similar skills.

oh you mean like bribery, cutting one party completely out of the equation, back room deals , coerecion , and midnight votes.. yeah that kind of bill passage..

Originally Posted by Djinn

I'm not trying to start another "Let's Bash Ron Paul" thread - and I'm hoping this doesn't degenerate into one. But I came across this news article from December 2011. It claims that in all of Ron Paul's years as a Representative, he sponsored 620 measures. Of those 620 measures, only four of them made it to a House vote. And of those four - one passed. It was a vote in 2009 concerning the sale of a historical custom house.

The article goes on to claim that during the time that Paul was in office, roughly 4% of all bills filed by House members have become law. By contrast, Paul's personal rate is about 0.2%.

My question - assuming these claims are true (and please challenge the numbers if they're not true) - is this the sort of success rate we should expect from him as President?

This is actually one of the things I really like about Paul. If we start measuring success by how many new laws people pass that would mean the more oppressive our government is the more successful we'd consider it's lawmakers. I'm for repealing some legislation at this point.

Originally Posted by Sparta

This is actually one of the things I really like about Paul. If we start measuring success by how many new laws people pass that would mean the more oppressive our government is the more successful we'd consider it's lawmakers. I'm for repealing some legislation at this point.

That's a perfectly valid argument. How successful has Ron Paul been at repealing legislation?

Originally Posted by Mordent

Maybe some do. Maybe some democrats like that byrd was a KKK member who supported human lynching, too.

Possibly...but I don't think Byrd will be on the ballot this year. (of course neither will Paul so it's kinda just academic)