Thread: The False Patriotism of the Conservative Ideology

Originally Posted by highway234

you know what? i've never thought of myself as a socialist, but if it's a choice between rick santorum and socialism, and you're drawing a line in the sand... meh, guess i'm a socialist.

so, you're really gonna tell me joe lieberman is a communist?

Or pro-America for that fact.

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

Or pro-America for that fact.

Being pro-America means you need to be a Conservative. Not some weak-kneed pansy Liberal.

Originally Posted by Bassman

Being pro-America means you need to be a Conservative. Not some weak-kneed pansy Liberal.

Or an Independent worm like Lieberman that has demonstrable ties to Zionism and could give a shit less about the political process when it gets in the way of his personal agenda.

Originally Posted by zitiboy

Holy shit another anecdotal claim that "their relative was spit on". That makes 1,748,867.
Anyone who thinks Kerry lied knows exactly ***zero*** about the Vietnam war. They never lived it, never studied it, never read anything beyond RW blurbs, do us a favor, pick up a fucking memoir or diary once in your life, Mkay? Talk to an actual Vietnam vet, not the swiftboat drunk Remfs.
Spare me the hackneyed natl enquirer nonsense.
The "spit-on" shit is a big, stupid myth.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War: THE VETERAN: Debunking A Myth

"...stories were circulating in several US cities about uniformed military personnel being spat on or otherwise mistreated. In Asheville, North Carolina, two Marines were rumored to have been spat upon, while in Spokane, Washington, a threat to "spit on the troops when they return from Iraq" was reportedly issued. In Burlington, Vermont, a leader of the state National Guard told local television, "We've had some spitting incidents," and then claimed one of his Guardswomen had been stoned by anti-war teenagers.

Upon further investigation, none of the stories panned out — the Spokane "threat" stemmed from the misreading of a letter in the local paper promising that opponents of the war would not spit on returning soldiers — and yet, in each case the rumors were used to stoke pro-war rallies.

Many of the current stories are accompanied by stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans. The recent story of spitting in Asheville, for example, was traced to a local businessman who says he is a veteran who was also spat upon and called a "baby killer" when he returned from Vietnam. An Associated Press story of April 9 reported stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans surfacing in several cities including Spicer, Minnesota whose mayor said he was spat upon in the San Francisco airport while coming home from Vietnam in 1971.

Similar stories became quite popular during the Gulf War of 1991 which raised my curiosity about where they came from and why they were believed. There is nothing in the historical record — news or police reports, for example — suggesting they really happened. In fact, the Veterans Administration commissioned a Harris Poll in 1971 that found 94% of Vietnam veterans reporting friendly homecomings from their age-group peers who had not served in the military. Moreover, the historical record is rich with the details of solidarity and mutuality between the anti-war movement and Vietnam veterans. The real truth, in other words, is that anti-war activists reached out to Vietnam veterans and veterans joined the movement in large numbers."

Vietnam Veterans Against the War: THE VETERAN: Spitting on the Troops: Old Myth, New Rumors

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet. - Slate Magazine

You know someone is full of shit when they definitively declare that a negative has been proven. Here's your first hand accounts. It took me a few minutes of googling to find them. Why couldn't you have done the same?

Vietnam veteran Nikko Schoch, co-founder of Veterans for Peace, told the crowd that after serving as medic, he came home to a country that despised him.

"I was spit on. I was called a baby killer even though I had never carried a gun," Schoch said. "We're going to see more psychologically wounded soldiers coming back from Iraq. I hope we as a people can support them."

200 gather in S.L. to protest Iraq war | Deseret News

"When I returned home, I was spit on in the airport, called a 'baby killer' and had things thrown at me. It was the same for the other vets - there was lots of animosity toward those of us who had gone and done our duty. We were treated like second-class citizens. That's why Vietnam vets don't join military organizations - they are still angry," said Stocks. "Even today, schools don't talk about it, and I hope that military serving in Iraq won't be treated the same."

Still proud; former Marine will be part of ceremony Tuesday - Watertown Daily Times Online : Local News

“Still in uniform, he was strolling through the O’Hare terminal in search of a telephone when a group of hippie girls darted up and spat on him. The shock and pain could have been no more intense if they had slashed him with knives. Reeling with surprise and uncertain what to do, he did nothing. His assailants scampered off through the airport crush as Tom wiped the saliva from his face, now aflame with humiliation. That night he got into an argument about the war with his friends’ daughter, who was home from college. This is great, he told himself sardonically. I’m back less than twenty-four hours, I get spat on, then I get hassled by my countrymen over a cause for which I got myself shot twice. Welcome home, Johnny.”

Amazon.com: The Long Gray Line: The American Journey of West Point's Class of 1966 (9780805091229): Rick Atkinson: Books

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

I hope you're getting paid, I really do. For your sake.

If anyone is actually paying him to make these posts it's the DNC. Think about it, who's post makes the GOP, and conservatives in general, look like mindless extremists and not at all bright if not the Bassman's?

Originally Posted by Macduff

You know someone is full of shit when they definitively declare that a negative has been proven. Here's your first hand accounts. It took me a few minutes of googling to find them. Why couldn't you have done the same?

200 gather in S.L. to protest Iraq war | Deseret News


Still proud; former Marine will be part of ceremony Tuesday - Watertown Daily Times Online : Local News

Amazon.com: The Long Gray Line: The American Journey of West Point's Class of 1966 (9780805091229): Rick Atkinson: Books

Will you guys please use a little common sense? At one time we had 500,000 men in Vietnam, between 1963 and 1973 we probably had a couple of million men serve there and come home. Did SOME of them get a shitty welcome home? Certainly. Did SOME of them actually get spit on? Almost certainly. Did some of them get a welcome home blow-job in the closest parked car empty stairwell? Almost certainly. Do I know how many got either treatment? NO, and neither does anyone else here.

Originally Posted by Hollywood

If anyone is actually paying him to make these posts it's the DNC. Think about it, who's post makes the GOP, and conservatives in general, look like mindless extremists and not at all bright if not the Bassman's?

You're assuming partisanship where there is none. I simply expressed hope that a level of nonsense so depressingly deep and bereft of individual thought is earning compensation with more value than chuckles and imaginary internet points.

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

You're assuming partisanship where there is none. I simply expressed hope that a level of nonsense so depressingly deep and bereft of individual thought is earning compensation with more value than chuckles and imaginary internet points.

And i expressed an opinion as to who would actually have motovation to pay for Bass to post as he does.

Originally Posted by Hollywood

And i expressed an opinion as to who would actually have motovation to pay for Bass to post as he does.

I post as I do because I have zero patience for Liberal Arrogance.

Originally Posted by Bassman

I post as I do because I have zero patience for Liberal Arrogance.

And infinite patience for ass-backwards talking points.