Thread: Why Conspiracy Theorists Are Being Rebranded As Domestic Terrorists

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Yeah, it pretty much sucks. Deutsche Bank and Sumitomo actually own part of our national economy! What the heck is up with that?

Oh it is worse than that. Because they own the purse they own the government.

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

The Excavator: Why Conspiracy Theorists Are Being Rebranded As Domestic Terrorists

I thought this might start some interesting discussions, considering the posting pathology of some on PH lately. So what do you guys think? Are conspiracy researchers a threat or a public service?

My answer to that is neither. Look, there are hundreds of things that governments and corporations are doing in the open, including the U.S., that work 100% against the interest of the general public. The reason I don't see endlessly connecting dots on circumstantial evidence as a public service is because it takes up a lot of time and resources from dissenting against things that are wide open, with nobody in mass media even acknowledging them. For example, consider all the resources and energy put into the "NWO" theory(s), when what we do know is that corporations and for-profit interests are controlling public policy. People don't gain power for power's sake. People gain power to profit in some way. It's all in the open.

Take the 9/11 "inside job" story. It's another one that uses early, circumstantial evidence, uses the usual "part of the conspiracy" argument against those who refute (including the majority of engineers, chemists and physicists), only includes "evidence" that fits into the conspiracy story, and many other usual conspiracy theory traits. The reality is that even under controlled conditions, like scientific experiments, there are many things that are left unexplained. It happens all the time. Furthermore, it takes focus off the U.S. foreign policy that provoked 9/11.

So attaching to "theories" like this actually works against the public interest, because it 1) takes important time and resources away from legitimate grievances and 2) fuels a misunderstanding of how to critically look at things and use reason.

Are they a threat? Not that either. The interests that openly create the narrative of events like 9/11 ("They attacked us for our freedom," etc.) actually welcome most of these conspiracy theories, because they can paint all of the dissent as crackpots and lunatics.

It's no coincidence that in media, we hear a lot about both the "inside job" and "they hate our freedom" arguments, but very little about the reality of why, which is U.S. foreign policy.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Yeah, it pretty much sucks. Deutsche Bank and Sumitomo actually own part of our national economy! What the heck is up with that?

Well, see. If you come to me for $100, and I say yes BUT I'm going to charge you interest, and you don't pay me back in full... then I might be able to negotiate an alternative or ask for collateral. I might ask to hang onto your laptop or iPod while I wait for you to satisfy payment.

When it's as high stakes as international finance, well, you begin to request ownership in the means of production, if you dig.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

It's no coincidence that in media, we hear a lot about both the "inside job" and "they hate our freedom" arguments, but very little about the reality of why, which is U.S. foreign policy.

I would strongly agree. In fact, I had never thought of it that way until Bush kicked out that disposable line about "ignoring any and all conspiracy theories" in the wake of 9/11. It was a pretty blatant way to muddy the water and make the discussion partisan, ensuring nothing could ever be agreed upon.

Just like all of the conspiracies surrounding Obama involve his wife's big ass or his birth certificate or what fecking religion he reeeeely is, when there are NUMEROUS legitimate reasons to believe that Obama has an agenda other than the one the American people agree with.

Peeps, Obama, Bush, the flipping congress, they are lapel pins to be worn when convenient.

911, not questioning that makes one a complete idiot. That is the single largest even of any and all of our lives. You best get it right because everything since was in the name of.

You want to allow the government to call me a terrorist for that, well it is your conscience. I wouldn't allow it to happen to you without voicing my anger.

Originally Posted by michaelr

I wouldn't allow it to happen to you without voicing my anger.

Exactly. Everyone has a right to an opinion. But denying that there isn't a consensus and investigations need to proceed is just flat out ignorant.

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

I would strongly agree. In fact, I had never thought of it that way until Bush kicked out that disposable line about "ignoring any and all conspiracy theories" in the wake of 9/11. It was a pretty blatant way to muddy the water and make the discussion partisan, ensuring nothing could ever be agreed upon.

Good observation. They certainly succeeded in doing that.

Just like all of the conspiracies surrounding Obama involve his wife's big ass or his birth certificate or what fecking religion he reeeeely is, when there are NUMEROUS legitimate reasons to believe that Obama has an agenda other than the one the American people agree with.

And people can just look at his policy and who his contributors are. They don't need to dig very deep. That's another good example- so much nonsense about birth certificates, Islam and Marxism, and on the other side, the "hope" and "change" thing. Nobody is talking about the reality of his policy and support.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

And people can just look at his policy and who his contributors are. They don't need to dig very deep. That's another good example- so much nonsense about birth certificates, Islam and Marxism, and on the other side, the "hope" and "change" thing. Nobody is talking about the reality of his policy and support.

Here's a secret: Ronin Tetsuro used to be EXCITED about the Tea Party.

I thought, "Wow! Concerned citizens standing up and taking it to this corrupt government, demanding answers. Even Fox News is interested! This might be the turn around we need!" But then partisan interests destroyed the message and turned the movement into a fucking circus. Just like what's happening to OWS. OWS said NO! to the Democrats and made it clear they would destroy ANY politician that tried to get close. So now they're doing the same thing to the OWS movement they did to the Tea Party; they are destroying the name so they can co-opt it and made what remains of the movement do it's bidding.

You had the Tea Party terrorizing town hall meetings and fraternizing with alleged neo-nazis.

You have OWS terrorizing peace keepers and fraternizing with rank anarchists.

It all smells like it's from the same playbook. Which further reinforces the idea that we have one schizophrenic party pretending to hate itself to maintain control over the incurious and the distracted. And NOW they're trying to turn the incurious and the distracted on those that are paying attention, because they want a self-policing system so they can focus on other business pursuits elsewhere in the world. Namely, how to shut down SinoRuskie Alliance.

Originally Posted by michaelr

911, not questioning that makes one a complete idiot. That is the single largest even of any and all of our lives. You best get it right because everything since was in the name of.

Are you saying that the 9/11 attack was an inside job?
If so:
By who & why?